Jefferey Epstein found dead in jail cell

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lawgator1 said:
Why haven't they done that already? If allowing selling over state lines is such a panacea, what's the problem?

I'll tell you: it won't solve it. Not at all. As long as preexisting conditions are going to be covered, the costs are not going to go down enough to make a difference.
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So now you’re a healthcare expert ? It wasn’t understanding it’s already been implemented, you guys aren’t going to cooperate one iota which is one reason we win the house back 👍
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
First my objection was to your use of “truth” with the poles. They are an attempt at accurate speculation. How accurate is debatable but certainly not “truth “

Second as in the post you quoted where I said “I was told there would be a few questions” what I didn’t say was they also told me that “thisshould take less that 7-10 minutes.” They asked one and bailed. If I had given an answer that they liked there would be more questions
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I think it's true that most of the time when people say that they don't trust polls, it's because they don't like what the polls are saying. Donald Trump is the prime example of this. He was tweeting out poll numbers every day during the Republican Party primaries when he was leading and even mentioned them during the primary debates. Whenever Rasmussen has his approval rating at 50%, he will always tweet about it.

Polls aren't infallible. They are most likely to be inaccurate when they involve two candidates with equally high disapproval numbers. Turnout becomes harder to predict when choosing between the "lesser of two evils", which seemed to be the case in 2016. Trump supporters also like to point to the possibility of the "hidden vote". Meaning, that how people respond to pollsters can be inconsistent with how they vote.... just because a respondent says that they don't like Trump, doesn't necessarily mean they don't plan to still vote for him. You don't have to explain your vote inside the booth... but you might be asked to explain your vote to a pollster. So, some people, not proud of their Trump vote, might be inclined to lie.

Having said that, it would be a mistake to dismiss polls for always being inaccurate. Nate Silver, as one example, is right much more than he is wrong.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I think it's true that most of the time when people say that they don't trust polls, it's because they don't like what the polls are saying. Donald Trump is the prime example of this. He was tweeting out poll numbers every day during the Republican Party primaries when he was leading and even mentioned them during the primary debates. Whenever Rasmussen has his approval rating at 50%, he will always tweet about it.

Polls aren't infallible. They are most likely to be inaccurate when they involve two candidates with equally high disapproval numbers. Turnout becomes harder to predict when choosing between the "lesser of two evils", which seemed to be the case in 2016. Trump supporters also like to point to the possibility of the "hidden vote". Meaning, that how people respond to pollsters can be inconsistent with how they vote.... just because a respondent says that they don't like Trump, doesn't necessarily mean they don't plan to still vote for him. You don't have to explain your vote inside the booth... but you might be asked to explain your vote to a pollster. So, some people, not proud of their Trump vote, might be inclined to lie.

Having said that, it would be a mistake to dismiss polls for always being inaccurate. Nate Silver, as one example, is right much more than he is wrong.
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How does this diatribe in anyway address truth vs attempted accurate speculation.

Example before the election the trump team said they were liking their polling data in Wisconsin. Others laughed at that saying “I don’t Know what poles they’re looking at because ours don’t look good for him.”One was right and one was wrong. Neither were truth. Truth came into existence at the vote
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
How does this diatribe in anyway address truth vs attempted accurate speculation.

Example before the election the trump team said they were liking their polling data in Wisconsin. Others laughed at that saying “I don’t Know what poles they’re looking at because ours don’t look good for him.”One was right and one was wrong. Neither were truth. Truth came into existence at the vote
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Well, for one thing, you need to look up the meaning of the word "diatribe" before you misuse it again. There was nothing bitter about that post you replied to; nor was that post an attack against someone or something. It was simply an explanation about the accuracy of polls.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Well, for one thing, you need to look up the meaning of the word "diatribe" before you misuse it again. There was nothing bitter about that post you replied to; nor was that post an attack against someone or something. It was an explanation about the accuracy of polls.
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So it was irrelevant to the conversation Tank and I were having. As attempted accuracy wasn’t in dispute. Just the use of poles as “truth”.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So it was irrelevant to the conversation Tank and I were having. As attempted accuracy wasn’t in dispute. Just the use of poles as “truth”.
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"Truth" as you put it... probably relates to who the respondent is speaking to. If a respondent isn't proud of their vote for Trump, they might keep that information to themselves or even lie to an independent pollster, but if they are responding to an internal Trump campaign survey? They would have no reason to lie. It's all just conjecture... but that would explain why in the instance of Wisconsin in 2016, the Trump internal numbers were more accurate than independent polls. It doesn't necessarily reflect malice or deception on behalf of the poll. Now, the first post you replied to touched on this theory of the "hidden vote", so it wasn't irrelevant and certainly not a "diatribe".
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
"Truth" as you put it... probably relates to who the respondent is speaking to. If a respondent isn't proud of their vote for Trump, they might keep that information to themselves or even lie to an independent pollster, but if they are responding to an internal Trump campaign survey? They would have no reason to lie. It's all just conjecture... but that would explain why in the instance of Wisconsin in 2016, the Trump internal numbers were more accurate than independent polls. It doesn't necessarily reflect malice or deception on behalf of the poll. Now, the first post you replied to touched on this theory of the "hidden vote", so it wasn't irrelevant and certainly not a "diatribe".
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Cool
So we’ve established that polling isn’t “truth” but instead an attempt at accurate speculation.
That’s all that was at issue when you butted in.

Nothing else is relevant to the point
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Changing the subject is what you are doing... and it's silly. His policies are unrelated to his conduct. A President can strictly follow non-interventionism and even isolationism if he chooses, while at the same time, also not making a complete ass of himself every day on Twitter. It would only take some very subtle changes to stop being so divisive and petty. It would only take someone who wasn't so self-centered and undisciplined as Donald Trump.
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Not changing the subject.

I’m saying my priorities are policy first.

Conduct would only become an issue for me if he did something to embarrass the office & country.

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Former confidant of late mobster John Gotti Sr. says Jeffrey Epstein could have 'paid someone dearly' to help him commit 'suicide' at the Manhattan prison he claims was a den of 'corruption'

A former close associate of the late mobster John Gotti Sr. has said that if Jeffrey Epstein killed himself inside his cell at Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, he would have had to 'pay dearly' for help.

'If he killed himself someone had to have helped him,' Lewis Kasman, who visited Gotti at the facility several times in 1992, told the New York Post.

Kasman said for the right price, inmates could get virtually anything they wanted from corrupt guards standing watch over the institution.

'That facility for years had issues of corruption, with correction officers bringing in food or cellphones for wealthy people.'

Kasman said he has kept up to date with the conditions at the facility since he used to visit Gotti there in the early 1990s.

'There are cameras going 24/7 and they're watching 24/7. Someone had to give [Epstein] the equipment to kill himself and he had to pay for it dearly,' Kasman said.

He noted that while Gotti was locked up in both the 9 South and 10 South units, which are supposed to be the most secure on site, Gotti had no problem having his favorite steak dinner hand-delivered.

'He had Peter Luger's whenever he wanted,' Kasman said.

'That facility for years had issues of corruption, with correction officers bringing in food or cellphones for wealthy people.'

But while Kasman said inmates with the right connections and enough cash could sneak things in to MCC New York, he also said the living conditions there are 'totally disgusting' and 'worse than Guantanamo Bay.'

'There are roaches crawling all over you — in every orifice — when you sleep. The Bureau of Prisons' answer to that is that they can't spray. It's toxic,' Kasman said.


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Kasman used to visit John Gotti Sr. at MCC New York while he was incarcerated there in 1992, and said he has kept up with conditions there, which he also said remain corrupt. Gotti is pictured at court in New York on February 9, 1990

Jeffrey Epstein could have 'paid dearly' for help with alleged suicide | Daily Mail Online
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
What I have been provided? What I have been PROVIDED?!?!?!?!
My parents worked their fingers to the bone, suffered through 3 different bankruptcies, and had their lives shortened by high blood pressure because of it. I worked my ass off in college to get my architecture degree. When you were out drinking and playing with yourself I was down in the labs 24/7 for the last 3 weeks of the quarter. EVERY quarter. I EARNED my degree you smug *******.

When I got out there was a recession going on and NO jobs in my field. I didn't sit and cry and depend on the government, I went out and did something else. Sometimes I worked as many as three jobs.

How dare you lecture me.


How ****ing dare you.

You are nothing more than a common thief that doesn't have the courage to steal himself, but rather uses the government to do it for him.


You are a small man.
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You seem a little on edge, but please spare me the hysteria.
I posted earlier in the thread what you were provided................
I'm guessing a public education. Playing at the rec. fields. Visits to the park. Safe food, water, and air. Safe environment Some pretty good roads on which to travel. Courts and prisons to prosecute and detain, the list goes on and on.
Are you actually so shallow, bitter, and cynical that you would claim that you didn't benefit from being born a US citizen? That your life wasn't made better and easier by the sacrifices and contributions of past and present citizens?
You're not the only guy who has worked hard. You don't have the only parents who worked hard. You're not the only guy who put himself through school..........all of those things apply to me and many others.
I do find it amusing that Trump's business failures and bankruptcies and your parent's bankruptcies are viewed as a sign of working hard.
Months ago when I mentioned having been a part of two companies that went out of business it was viewed with humor and repeatedly brought up as a sign of my failures. Oh well, I'm used to the inconsistencies.
You may want to see someone about your anger issues.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Former confidant of late mobster John Gotti Sr. says Jeffrey Epstein could have 'paid someone dearly' to help him commit 'suicide' at the Manhattan prison he claims was a den of 'corruption'

A former close associate of the late mobster John Gotti Sr. has said that if Jeffrey Epstein killed himself inside his cell at Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, he would have had to 'pay dearly' for help.

'If he killed himself someone had to have helped him,' Lewis Kasman, who visited Gotti at the facility several times in 1992, told the New York Post.

Kasman said for the right price, inmates could get virtually anything they wanted from corrupt guards standing watch over the institution.

'That facility for years had issues of corruption, with correction officers bringing in food or cellphones for wealthy people.'

Kasman said he has kept up to date with the conditions at the facility since he used to visit Gotti there in the early 1990s.

'There are cameras going 24/7 and they're watching 24/7. Someone had to give [Epstein] the equipment to kill himself and he had to pay for it dearly,' Kasman said.

He noted that while Gotti was locked up in both the 9 South and 10 South units, which are supposed to be the most secure on site, Gotti had no problem having his favorite steak dinner hand-delivered.

'He had Peter Luger's whenever he wanted,' Kasman said.

'That facility for years had issues of corruption, with correction officers bringing in food or cellphones for wealthy people.'

But while Kasman said inmates with the right connections and enough cash could sneak things in to MCC New York, he also said the living conditions there are 'totally disgusting' and 'worse than Guantanamo Bay.'

'There are roaches crawling all over you — in every orifice — when you sleep. The Bureau of Prisons' answer to that is that they can't spray. It's toxic,' Kasman said.


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Kasman used to visit John Gotti Sr. at MCC New York while he was incarcerated there in 1992, and said he has kept up with conditions there, which he also said remain corrupt. Gotti is pictured at court in New York on February 9, 1990

Jeffrey Epstein could have 'paid dearly' for help with alleged suicide | Daily Mail Online
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Man, those were the good ole days! John Gotti running around, doing his thing. The Teflon Don, knocking off people at Steak Houses on a Friday night. Sammy "The Bull" Gravano being the enforcer. Good times! :)
 
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luthervol said:
You seem a little on edge, but please spare me the hysteria.
I posted earlier in the thread what you were provided................
I'm guessing a public education. Playing at the rec. fields. Visits to the park. Safe food, water, and air. Safe environment Some pretty good roads on which to travel. Courts and prisons to prosecute and detain, the list goes on and on.
Are you actually so shallow, bitter, and cynical that you would claim that you didn't benefit from being born a US citizen? That your life wasn't made better and easier by the sacrifices and contributions of past and present citizens?
You're not the only guy who has worked hard. You don't have the only parents who worked hard. You're not the only guy who put himself through school..........all of those things apply to me and many others.
I do find it amusing that Trump's business failures and bankruptcies and your parent's bankruptcies are viewed as a sign of working hard.
Months ago when I mentioned having been a part of two companies that went out of business it was viewed with humor and repeatedly brought up as a sign of my failures. Oh well, I'm used to the inconsistencies.
You may want to see someone about your anger issues.
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He was provided the same things as everyone else but they chose not to utilize. Now you expect everyone to foot the bill for them. Everyone doesn’t have the same opportunities for various reasons but everyone has opportunity to be something other than a self proclaimed victim and can provide for themselves. You come across as someone who was awarded better than average opportunity, probably from parents of the same. Good for you. If you really work in public education I’d associate that with what’s wrong with our country. Sad. And that’s not on any continuum.
 
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