Jim Tressel (merged)

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Nashvol2 said:
I dont buy this. What he did was not that horrible to me and its not like a Petrino situation where it's gone on at different schools. Id take Tressel in a heartbeat.
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I can't compare the two. Tressel should be a bargain.
 
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Volzilla said:
If that's a requirement now then...

Has Gundy?
Has Al Golden?
Has Jimbo Fisher?
Has Fedora?
Has Strong as a HC?

One thing he does have than none of them have is a NC as a HC. I think he also has the first 14-0 season ever. Do you know Tressel has more wins as a HC than those five combnined?
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Although most SEC fans will simply emphasize the fact that he lost to Florida and LSU, Tressel also coached three teams in BCS National Championship Games, ones that concluded the 2002, 2006 and 2007 seasons, respectively. Few coaches can make that claim.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Although most SEC fans will simply emphasize the fact that he lost to Florida and LSU, Tressel also coached three teams in BCS National Championship Games, ones that concluded the 2002, 2006 and 2007 seasons, respectively. Few coaches can make that claim.
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3 BCS National Championship Games....I would take it.
 
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I don't think winning justifies hiring a coach who obviously has no controll over his team. Ohio State had so many player arrests and improper contact and gifts from boosters not to mention the drug deal that the FBI stumbled on at the tatoo shop that started the whole mess that got Tressel fired. We maybe can lower our expectaions on coaching ability but not at the expense our reputation and forget who we are.
Go vols
 
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He can't beat a SEC team. We would have the NCAA breathing down our neck. Wow we would hire a coach that nobody else wants we have stooped that low? We can do better.
 
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volbacker14 said:
I don't think winning justifies hiring a coach who obviously has no controll over his team. Ohio State had so many player arrests and improper contact and gifts from boosters not to mention the drug deal that the FBI stumbled on at the tatoo shop that started the whole mess that got Tressel fired. We maybe can lower our expectaions on coaching ability but not at the expense our reputation and forget who we are.
Go vols
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It is interesting that there are different stories on what happened with Tressel's time at Ohio State and the severity therein. As always, I imagine the truth is out there somewhere inbetween. Lowering expectations on coaching seems a bit extreme however. I doubt if there is a need to do that. If those researching Tressel's issues deem it a pass, I would respect it. In football, we would be hardpressed to find credentials like his.
 
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We can ALWAYS do better right? I mean it's not like we've had two of the worst hires in college football back to back right...oh wait. I'd take Tressel in a heartbeat - but I actually want to watch a winning team for once.
 
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The truth was in the newspapers. I believe as you do, let his credentials stand for themselves. A lot of Tressels players are wearing orange right now, but that's only so they can be seen if they escape. The car dealer in Columbus has a higher inventory since Tressel left.
 
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volbacker14 said:
The truth was in the newspapers. I believe as you do, let his credentials stand for themselves. A lot of Tressels players are wearing orange right now, but that's only so they can be seen if they escape. The car dealer in Columbus has a higher inventory since Tressel left.
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I wish the Vols had been immune to that too. I think I heard last week of another former Vol in some serious trouble. I hope VFL can be taken to the next level...its a good concept, but difficult to impliment.
 
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We can do better in hiring a coach that would actually be repected. If you want the player arrests and drug issues, he's your man. You get what you ask for.
 
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volbacker14 said:
He can't beat a SEC team. We would have the NCAA breathing down our neck. Wow we would hire a coach that nobody else wants we have stooped that low? We can do better.
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Same garbage that's been thoroughly debunked earlier in this thread and the Tressel thread. The reward far outweighs the risk. Top 3 coach in the NCAA. 1-2 against SEC teams in BCS Bowl games over the past decade. 2 of those were in the National Championship game. He won one NC. To put things into perspective, Tennessee hasn't even sniffed a BCS bowl game in that time. So, if you think he can't compete in the SEC, you are talking straight out yo' :moon2:
 
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Well if he can't beat Alabama or Fla what's the use? The issues were not debunked it was all over the Columbus papers. We fired Dooley because he wasn't competitive. We need somebody who can beat Bama and Fla.
 
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Do you people want UT to get the "death penalty"? Do any of you realize that everytime he leaves a program he leaves with the ncaa all over the program? He did it at youngstown and he did it even worse to OSU. This guy has the coaching record he does because he does NOT play by the rules.
I don't care what his overall record on the field is, his records behind the scenes is bad enough that we shouldn't even be in the same state as him, let alone let him bury our program with the ncaa.

If we're gonna go for someone with a shady past I say go for Petrino. He wins and he does it without having the risk of the ncaa shutting down your program.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Do you people want UT to get the "death penalty"? Do any of you realize that everytime he leaves a program he leaves with the ncaa all over the program? He did it at youngstown and he did it even worse to OSU. This guy has the coaching record he does because he does NOT play by the rules.
I don't care what his overall record on the field is, his records behind the scenes is bad enough that we shouldn't even be in the same state as him, let alone let him bury our program with the ncaa.

If we're gonna go for someone with a shady past I say go for Petrino. He wins and he does it without having the risk of the ncaa shutting down your program.
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He doesn't play by the rules? Are you funking kidding me? Some of his players trade their own belonging (jerseys) for tattoos? Man what a scumbag? :loco:
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
He doesn't play by the rules? Are you funking kidding me? Some of his players trade their own belonging (jerseys) for tattoos? Man what a scumbag? :loco:
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Umm its far more than just the tattoos and its been going on since he first started as a HC, the guy can get recruits because he gets people to pay for them

From an SI article

"As coach at Youngstown (Ohio) State in the mid-1990s, he claimed not to know that his star quarterback had received a car and more than $10,000 from a school trustee and his associates -- even though it was later established in court documents that Tressel had told the player to go see the trustee. In 2003, during Tressel's third season in Columbus, Buckeyes running back Maurice Clarett was found to have received money and other benefits. Even though Tressel said he spent more time with Clarett than with any other player, he also said he did not know that Clarett had been violating the rules. A year later an internal Ohio State investigation (later corroborated by the NCAA) found that quarterback Troy Smith had taken $500 from a booster. It was the second time the booster had been investigated for allegedly providing improper benefits to a star player, but again Tressel said he had no knowledge of the illicit payment.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz2DxdTnO00"

Him "not knowing" is exactly what he told the NCAA about the tattoos too, hes a cheater plain and simple, thats why noone will hire him, even with all his wins.
 
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volbacker14 said:
The truth was in the newspapers. I believe as you do, let his credentials stand for themselves. A lot of Tressels players are wearing orange right now, but that's only so they can be seen if they escape. The car dealer in Columbus has a higher inventory since Tressel left.
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Dude, you are talking straight out your arse. Saying "it was in the newspapers" isn't a source of (factual) information. I provided the NCAA ruling earlier in the thread. Read it myself and folks can do the same. But boneheads like you keep popping in here, talking nonsense. Wasn't a damn thing in the NCAA ruling about a drug deal, player arrests or anything like that. Absolute BS. :loco:

Bring some evidence with you next time you post here.
 
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Can Tressel coach and do so at a high level? Yes. So can Butch Davis and Petrino---but they aren't on Harts list---and I'm not too upset about it.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Dude, you are talking straight out your arse. Saying "it was in the newspapers" isn't a source of (factual) information. I provided the NCAA ruling earlier in the thread. Read it myself and folks can do the same. But boneheads like you keep popping in here, talking nonsense. Wasn't a damn thing in the NCAA ruling about a drug deal, player arrests or anything like that. Absolute BS. :loco:

Bring some evidence with you next time you post here.
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Court suspends Ohio State case lawyer for 1 year in Jim Tressel scandal - ESPN

The 5-2 court decision followed the recommendation of a disciplinary board that argued Cicero wrongly discussed interviews with tattoo parlor owner Edward Rife, a potential client.
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Cicero met with Rife on April 2, 2010, according to court documents, and again 13 days later to discuss whether Cicero would represent him in a federal drug trafficking case, according to a complaint against him by the Disciplinary Counsel of the Ohio Supreme Court.

Cicero, an Ohio State football player in the early 1980s, denied meeting with Rife on April 2. He said the two did meet on April 15, 2010, with the goal of confirming that Rife's partner, a former client of Cicero, wasn't involved with drug dealing or memorabilia sales.

Rife's house had been raided April 1 by federal drug investigators and Cicero wanted to know if Joseph Epling, his client and Rife's business partner, was involved in the case.
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From an SI article
Bolded the parts that pointed out the credible sources

"As coach at Youngstown (Ohio) State in the mid-1990s, he claimed not to know that his star quarterback had received a car and more than $10,000 from a school trustee and his associates -- even though it was later established in court documents that Tressel had told the player to go see the trustee. In 2003, during Tressel's third season in Columbus, Buckeyes running back Maurice Clarett was found to have received money and other benefits. Even though Tressel said he spent more time with Clarett than with any other player, he also said he did not know that Clarett had been violating the rules. A year later an internal Ohio State investigation (later corroborated by the NCAA) found that quarterback Troy Smith had taken $500 from a booster. It was the second time the booster had been investigated for allegedly providing improper benefits to a star player, but again Tressel said he had no knowledge of the illicit payment.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz2DxdTnO00"

Him "not knowing" is exactly what he told the NCAA about the tattoos too, theres a reason NOONE will go anywhere near hiring him, even with his NC ring and overall record. Noone knows for sure if he can actually coach and recruit WHILE PLAYING BY THE RULES. He got OSU hit with a failure to monitor and with use being on probation and just recently having that extended, the last thing we need is a coach that doesn't monitor his team and when they get in trouble would go back to his usual "I didn't know about it". But this time when he says that it won't matter if he did or not, noone will believe him, especially the NCAA, after the whole tattoo gate incident and we would end up with the death penalty.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Umm its far more than just the tattoos and its been going on since he first started as a HC, the guy can get recruits because he gets people to pay for them

From an SI article

"As coach at Youngstown (Ohio) State in the mid-1990s, he claimed not to know that his star quarterback had received a car and more than $10,000 from a school trustee and his associates -- even though it was later established in court documents that Tressel had told the player to go see the trustee. In 2003, during Tressel's third season in Columbus, Buckeyes running back Maurice Clarett was found to have received money and other benefits. Even though Tressel said he spent more time with Clarett than with any other player, he also said he did not know that Clarett had been violating the rules. A year later an internal Ohio State investigation (later corroborated by the NCAA) found that quarterback Troy Smith had taken $500 from a booster. It was the second time the booster had been investigated for allegedly providing improper benefits to a star player, but again Tressel said he had no knowledge of the illicit payment.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz2DxdTnO00"

Him "not knowing" is exactly what he told the NCAA about the tattoos too, hes a cheater plain and simple, thats why noone will hire him, even with all his wins.
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Joe McKnight was driving a LandRover that was not his.

USC looking into RB Joe McKnight's Land Rover - NCAA Football - Sporting News

Bama had players selling textbooks for $$$.

Scout.com: Vacate This ... Alabama's NCAA Punishment

So, we can do this all night. The other part of that article talked about how Tressel was a good man, big on Faith...even Tony Dungy endorsed him as such.

Kids will do what kids do, and with the NCAA raking in Billions of dollars, while telling them they can have none of it, it gives rise to these situations. They can't get any extra cash any other way. Can't work while going to school cause there is no time to juggle class + football + work.

It's one thing if kids are suddenly driving Lexus' or their folks suddenly get a house they can't afford, etc. But most of the stuff is done in secrecy, where the staff won't know.

The only way to stop it, and make it easier for programs to police this behavior, is to give the athletes making the big $$$ for the NCAA, some form of compensation. Scholarships aren't particularly sufficient, in many cases. Why? Cause many athletes really don't care about school. They are just trying to get to the league, and college is currently the only avenue to get there.

It's like telling an athlete, we'll give you a ride to the stadium and that ride is your compensation for playing for us. Hey, we'll throw in meals too.

All they have to do is provide some form of stipend, based on a percentage of the TV, merchandise and ticket sales...per school. If a school's sport program does not generate enough revenue to meet it's basic operational costs, it doesn't owe a stipend.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Joe McKnight was driving a LandRover that was not his.

USC looking into RB Joe McKnight's Land Rover - NCAA Football - Sporting News

Bama had players selling textbooks for $$$.

Scout.com: Vacate This ... Alabama's NCAA Punishment

So, we can do this all night. The other part of that article talked about how Tressel was a good man, big on Faith...even Tony Dungy endorsed him as such.

Kids will do what kids do, and with the NCAA raking in Billions of dollars, while telling them they can have none of it, it gives rise to these situations. They can't get any extra cash any other way. Can't work while going to school cause there is no time to juggle class + football + work.

It's one thing if kids are suddenly driving Lexus' or their folks suddenly get a house they can't afford, etc. But most of the stuff is done in secrecy, where the staff won't know.

The only way to stop it, and make it easier for programs to police this behavior, is to give the athletes making the big $$$ for the NCAA, some form of compensation. Scholarships aren't particularly sufficient, in many cases. Why, cause many athletes really don't care about school. They are just trying to get to the league, and college is the main venue to do that.

It's like telling an athlete, we'll give you a ride to the stadium and that ride is your compensation for playing for us. Hey, we'll throw in meals too.

All they have to do is provide some form of stipend, based on a percentage of the TV, merchandise and ticket sales...per school. If a school's sport program does not generate enough revenue to meet it's basic operational costs, it doesn't owe a stipend.
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Well until your idea gets passed by the NCAA, WE ARE STILL ON PROBATION!!!!!!!!! So if one of his kids does what any of these players did and he comes back with his usual "I didn't know" then we could very easily get the death penalty.

NO THANKS, lets move one, NEXT COACH PLEASE!!!!
 
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JFBanicki said:
Well until your idea gets passed by the NCAA, WE ARE STILL ON PROBATION!!!!!!!!! So if one of his kids does what any of these players did and he comes back with his usual "I didn't know" then we could very easily get the death penalty.

NO THANKS, lets move one, NEXT COACH PLEASE!!!!
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The point is, this stuff happens EVERYWHERE, and kids are not keen to letting coaches know. Again, why is Bama still letting Saban coach? Every coach has some things crop up once in a while when you are coaching that long.

If you think Fulmer NEVER had players accepting stuff, you are delusional. Just because they didn't get detected, doesn't mean during his 17yrs at UT, he's not had a single incident.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
The point is, this stuff happens EVERYWHERE, and kids are not keen to letting coaches know. You're delusional to think this can't happen to any coach.
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Ok thats fine and all but the NCAA would be all over us if we hired Tressel. Thats the last thing we need while on probation.

I'm being realistic, not trying to go into the what-if fantasy land. We need a coach RIGHT NOW, under the current NCAA rules and regulations. We can hire a hundred other coaches that aren't gonna bring in the scrutiny that Tressel would. And as you've said, that type of thing happens no matter who the coach is, so we need to hire someone that will draw the least attention to that type of activity as possible. Not go out and hire a coach that the NCAA will be all over and will be digging into every football player deeply looking for even the slightest sign that they are receiving improper benefits.
 
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