Jim Tressel (merged)

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MoreheadVol said:
everyone cheats!!! your not cheating ur not trying... tressel will recruit and win if hired.. hes a winner.. you would be amazed to find out illegal activities going on at universities. so to sit here and argue about hiring a cheater is pointless.
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I don't find it pointless at all.
 
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He was pounded by LSU and UF and had very talented teams. He is also a habitual violator of NCAA rules. I doubt he even gets consideration
 
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MoreheadVol said:
everyone cheats!!! your not cheating ur not trying... tressel will recruit and win if hired.. hes a winner.. you would be amazed to find out illegal activities going on at universities. so to sit here and argue about hiring a cheater is pointless.
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I disagree with the premise. Coaches run up to the limit of the rules but I don't believe they are all cheaters. Dooley didn't cheat very well if that is the case.
 
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thebjd said:
I disagree with the premise. Coaches run up to the limit of the rules but I don't believe they are all cheaters. Dooley didn't cheat very well if that is the case.
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im just saying to hire a past cheater isnt a bad idea, if the guy in question is a great coach... and if im not mistaken tressel never did anything on his end besides failing to report.. weak... give the man a chance and he will win for you
 
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I don't know that probation or sanction issues are the biggest barrier to hiring Tressel.

The impression I've gotten from his public comments over the years is that he's just always thought of the SEC as something that he needed to scrape off his shoe with a stick, despite always losing to them.

I guess if he wants back into coaching badly enough he might even consider an SEC team.
 
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Slydell said:
Might want to look a little further into the history of Tressel.
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I still hate that he had the gall to lie straight-faced and throw Clarrett and their AD at the time, Andy Geiger, under the bus the way he did. (re: the Clarett Monte Carlo getting broken into that Tressel said Maurice procured without knowledge from anyone in the program)

He is scum and a disgrace to coaching.

He played his Mr. Rogers image up and said that Clarett was a liar and a cheat (which he may well have been), but it didn't take a genius to see that the car that Clarett had was bought and paid for with Tressel's express knowledge. He did Clarett dirty and let his AD take the fall for his dirty program, and I never had an ounce of respect for him after that. No way would I ever want a coach like him. No coach should be so callously and cravenly willing to throw his guys under the bus just to save their own arse.
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At least Stoops has been man enough to take responsibility when his program gets caught.
 
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Dylecho said:
I still hate that he had the gall to lie straight-faced and throw Clarrett and their AD at the time, Andy Geiger, under the bus the way he did. (re: the Clarett Monte Carlo getting broken into that Tressel said Maurice procured without knowledge from anyone in the program)

He is scum and a disgrace to coaching.

He played his Mr/ Rogers image up and said that Clarett was a liar and a cheat (which he may well have been), but it didn't take a genius to see that the car that Clarett had was bought and paid for with Tressel's express knowledge. He did Clarett dirty and let his AD take the fall for his dirty program, and I never had an ounce of respect for him after that. No way would I ever want a coach like him. No coach should be so callously and cravenly willing to throw his guys under the bus just to save their own arse.
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At least Stoops has been man enough to take responsibility when his program gets caught.
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Again...if I had an axe to grind with Fulmer, I could say the same thing about him....snitching on Bamer while letting Drug Addicts (Cocaine, Heroin, Pain Killers, etc) play. See how that works? You can twist the facts and make any coach out to be the Boogie Man.

How do you know Fulmer wasn't aware of Ainge's drug addiction? You don't. But until he's found guilty of wrongdoing, you or I don't have any basis to condemn the man.
 
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If we end up with a sweater vest on the sideline im turning in my big orange card. I will not back any fool from ohio state. Talk about sloppy seconds. Burn that.
 
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krankwave said:
If we end up with a sweater vest on the sideline im turning in my big orange card. I will not back any fool from ohio state. Talk about sloppy seconds. Burn that.
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if he were to beat Bama wearing a bright orange sweater vest, YOU would be wearing one the next Saturday.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Okay, so if I understand it right, if we hire Tressel, he has to miss the first 5 games, and the bowl game.

Well...let's be real.

Austin Peay
Western Kentucky
South Alabama are most likely wins with a competent coach, even if he is a coordinator.

Oregon and Florida are most likely losses with a competent coach, even if he is a coordinator.

Most likely, we'd go 3-2 through the first five games anyways.

And IF we made it to a bowl, well shoot, I'd be glad to just make it to one. If he couldn't coach it, well, okay. But at least we would have made it to one.

I just don't see the harm in hiring him honestly.

He made a mistake. But it was nowhere near to what others have done. I mean, Ohio State got hammered for it, and he was fired. But yet, they're not blaming him for it. In fact, they HONORED him last week at halftime. Why would you honor a coach you despise? And why would you not despise a coach unless you don't hold him as guilty as others do?

I am not necessarily advocating him. I know the knocks against him. Hasn't beat an SEC team. But he has a little experience at winning, and he's out there.

Just wondering if we're making too big of a big deal out of the show cause.
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I still think Tressel is a good hire. His track record speaks for itself. And for the people who say "look at his record against the SEC". How is he supposed to beat the SEC when hes at a big 10 school? Its next to impossible to recruit the type of players the top tier SEC team gets in the big10. The SEC has the best players right? So why does everyone expect him to beat SEC teams in bowls when hes obviously outgunned. Give him our resources, budget, name, mixed with his ability to win and i think its a great deal. We can get him cheap because of the perspective on his name. After 2 years and it will be about how he turned UT around while turning his reputation around. Just like Bruce Pearl, someone will hire him, and when they do, they will be back in the big picture.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Again...if I had an axe to grind with Fulmer, I could say the same thing about him....snitching on Bamer while letting Drug Addicts (Cocaine, Heroin, Pain Killers, etc) play. See how that works? You can twist the facts and make any coach out to be the Boogie Man.

How do you know Fulmer wasn't aware of Ainge's drug addiction? You don't. But until he's found guilty of wrongdoing, you or I don't have any basis to condemn the man.
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An interesting point, but I don't believe the analogy fits.

I think the Onterrio Smith example is probably closer to what happened with Clarett. The guy got in trouble. Repeatedly. And was let go. Fulmer never said a negative word about Smith other than "I wish him well." He didn't say, "Smith was the only guy ever to fail a drug test at this program. We don't have any problems here, he's a liar, a thief, and not welcome back in Knoxville." Tressel DID do that to Clarrett, and got his AD fired while he continued business as usual.

Also, concerning 'Bama. Fulmer told the truth. Was he snitching? Yes, but that's another debate entirely. What he said was true, and no one ever questioned the merits of what he said.

Tressel did NOT tell the truth. Like, ever. He was caught for it later on with a different set of circumstances. The guy was a repeat offender and wolf in sheep's clothing. Say what you will about Fulmer, but that's not who he was.

Just my $.02.
 
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That said, he would win here. He would recruit here. There's no question in my mind on that. I just don't want to root for a guy who cares more about himself than his program or the kids on his team, and I don't want any wins vacated.

I'll say my concerns with Tressel are only moral, and I respect others who have posted that they care more about winning than morals. That's a valid point of view, it's just not mine.
 
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krankwave said:
If we end up with a sweater vest on the sideline im turning in my big orange card. I will not back any fool from ohio state. Talk about sloppy seconds. Burn that.
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Yep...these are some great points. I hate the idea of appearing in multiple national championships because he likes to wear a sweater vest and is from Ohio...
 
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Say what you will but every top program in the country does this same stuff.....including ours. My brother was a trainer at UT and he told me things he saw every week with his own eyes that would bring us to our knees if NCAA knew so stop with the holier than thou crap. Eventually someone will pick him up and at a bargain price. His resume is better than anyone else mentioned.....even the "homerun fantasy" candidates.
 
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Dylecho said:
That said, he would win here. He would recruit here. There's no question in my mind on that. I just don't want to root for a guy who cares more about himself than his program or the kids on his team, and I don't want any wins vacated.

I'll say my concerns with Tressel are only moral, and I respect others who have posted that they care more about winning than morals. That's a valid point of view, it's just not mine.
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I don't think you could even call Tressel immoral. There are plenty of very reputable people that have come to his defense, and from my own limited experience in the Columbus area (while Tressel was there), I believe he is a good man.

Now, I could see arguing that he was unethical, but even then I would counter citing that he was merely trying to protect his players, rather than being selfish. Of course only he knows his motives, but I personally believe he lied so the finger was pointed at him rather than his players.
 
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chumleypm said:
If we are going to hire Tressel, why don't we just hire Petrino? He has no NCAA baggage and can win in the SEC.
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How? Petrino gets stomped by rivals and eats the cupcakes and lost to a Big Ten school. If that's the case, bring back Phil because they are the same and Phil doesn't have to worry about a national affair in the background when he goes knocking on recruits doors
 
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And in reality I doubt if UT is worried about embarrassing itself at this point.
Dumping fulmer
Getting dumped by kiffin
Hiring dooley
Losing to vandy & kentucky
Fielding the worst defense in history of Ut

Any of these things ring a bell? We just fired our squeaky clean choirboy because he lost too many games. Integrity........oh please.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
How? Petrino gets stomped by rivals and eats the cupcakes and lost to a Big Ten school. If that's the case, bring back Phil because they are the same and Phil doesn't have to worry about a national affair in the background when he goes knocking on recruits doors
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Who do you think will come in and beat Alabama? They almost have as many NC as they do losses over the last few years. Do you think anyone on the list will be beating Alabama and LSU anytime soon? Unless your A&M you got beat by Alabama, and the SEC has some pretty good coaches right now.
 
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chumleypm said:
Who do you think will come in and beat Alabama? They almost have as many NC as they do losses over the last few years. Do you think anyone on the list will be beating Alabama and LSU anytime soon? Unless your A&M you got beat by Alabama, and the SEC has some pretty good coaches right now.
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What's the hype of Petrino? He has a flashy offense that can win the meaningful game and he can't recruit.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
What's the hype of Petrino? He has a flashy offense that can win the meaningful game and he can't recruit.
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He coaching resume is miles ahead of anyone available. I think he would come in and succeed quicker than any other coach availible. I know we aren't giving him a look, I think its a shame because we could be serious contenders in 3 years.
 
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chumleypm said:
He coaching resume is miles ahead of anyone available. I think he would come in and succeed quicker than any other coach availible. I know we aren't giving him a look, I think its a shame because we could be serious contenders in 3 years.
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With 3 star recruits? Doubtful. No way that he can recruit now. No parent is gonna be able to take him seriously.
 
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