Jim Tressel (merged)

Ok thats fine and all but the NCAA would be all over us if we hired Tressel. Thats the last thing we need while on probation.

I'm being realistic, not trying to go into the what-if fantasy land. We need a coach RIGHT NOW, under the current NCAA rules and regulations. We can hire a hundred other coaches that aren't gonna bring in the scrutiny that Tressel would. And as you've said, that type of thing happens no matter who the coach is, so we need to hire someone that will draw the least attention to that type of activity as possible. Not go out and hire a coach that the NCAA will be all over and will be digging into every football player deeply looking for even the slightest sign that they are receiving improper benefits.
That's just your opinion. There is absolutely nothing you can base that on. He's only required to accept the penalty and move on. That's all. It's people freaking out like you, that come to those conclusions. You're the one creating these delusional fantasies that the NCAA Boogie Man's going to appear after Tressel finishes paying his penalty.

People have been just as delusional in thinking that because a coach worked for Saban, they know how to win. :crazy:
 
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From an SI article
Bolded the parts that pointed out the credible sources

"As coach at Youngstown (Ohio) State in the mid-1990s, he claimed not to know that his star quarterback had received a car and more than $10,000 from a school trustee and his associates -- even though it was later established in court documents that Tressel had told the player to go see the trustee. In 2003, during Tressel's third season in Columbus, Buckeyes running back Maurice Clarett was found to have received money and other benefits. Even though Tressel said he spent more time with Clarett than with any other player, he also said he did not know that Clarett had been violating the rules. A year later an internal Ohio State investigation (later corroborated by the NCAA) found that quarterback Troy Smith had taken $500 from a booster. It was the second time the booster had been investigated for allegedly providing improper benefits to a star player, but again Tressel said he had no knowledge of the illicit payment.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz2DxdTnO00"

Him "not knowing" is exactly what he told the NCAA about the tattoos too, theres a reason NOONE will go anywhere near hiring him, even with his NC ring and overall record. Noone knows for sure if he can actually coach and recruit WHILE PLAYING BY THE RULES. He got OSU hit with a failure to monitor and with use being on probation and just recently having that extended, the last thing we need is a coach that doesn't monitor his team and when they get in trouble would go back to his usual "I didn't know about it". But this time when he says that it won't matter if he did or not, noone will believe him, especially the NCAA, after the whole tattoo gate incident and we would end up with the death penalty.
There was an article in ESPN that framed Tressel as being Banned by the NCAA, when his show cause is anything but.

Your article also points out that he's known to be a good man by most in the coaching circles...including Tony Dungy. Saying he's big on faith and integrity. Who are we to believe? Funny, that you conveniently leave that part out. Kids are sneaky and have a vested interest in keeping things from the coaches, if they can.

So, I don't buy the smear job you're trying to sell here. He made a mistake. Some of his players tried to get over on him during his LONG career, but that doesn't make him any bigger risk than the next coach.

If you asked former UT players if they felt no one ever took anything they weren't supposed to, while they were there, they'd tell you no program is 100% clean.

Eric Ainge took some major drugs while a QB at UT, which would have gotten Fulmer in a lot of hot water if was proved he knew about it and did nothing. This admission by Ainge is no different.

Why didn't Fulmer kick Ainge off the team for taking all kinds of heavy drugs, including Cocaine and heroin? Hhhhhmmmm? Surely every coach is all seeing and omnipotent, right? :crazy: :loco:

New York Jets QB Erik Ainge opens up about his years of drug abuse and his ongoing battle with addiction and mental illness - ESPN New York
 
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What does this prove? Where is the player-coach drug ring you are pretending existed? You do realize that many tattoo artists aren't likely going to be singing in the choir on Sunday's, right? So, the players are supposed to get a background check on a tattoo artist? :loco:

I got a link for you.

Jim Tressel could get hired after flimsy NCAA show-cause penalty - Andy Staples - SI.com
 
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What does this prove? Where is the player-coach drug ring you are pretending existed? You do realize that many tattoo artists aren't likely going to be singing in the choir on Sunday's, right? So, the players are supposed to get a background check on a tattoo artist? :loco:

You said there was nothing about a drug deal. That link specifically shows the parlor owner was under investigation for drug dealing. No one said there were any player drug deals. Only that the NCAA investigation was the end result of a federal investigation.
 
I can google search too. But what specifically are you alleging and what is your evidence? You are just pointing to articles that points out a few past accusations where the NCAA cleared him of any wrongdoing.

Again, anyone can try to link a coach to a player's misconduct. How about this one?

New York Jets QB Erik Ainge opens up about his years of drug abuse and his ongoing battle with addiction and mental illness - ESPN New York

Fulmer should be banned for life, if you apply the same scrutiny to him that you are to Tressel.

If the NCAA didn't find any wrongdoing on the coach's part, why are you?
 
You said there was nothing about a drug deal. That link specifically shows the parlor owner was under investigation for drug dealing. No one said there were any player drug deals. Only that the NCAA investigation was the end result of a federal investigation.
What does a tattoo artist's background have to do with Jim Tressel? Where's the alleged drug problems mentioned? It's getting stupid up in here :loco:
 
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I was simply replying to your request for more information. I think you wanted to know what newspapers and what articles I was talking about. I think it more than clearly paints the picture of the atmosphere at OSU. and Youngstown State, as everyone is saying on the board, " Where there's smoke there's fire. Just take a little time to read them. If you don't believe them, that everyone is conspiring to bring down Tressel, there's nothing more I can say. Reputable sources.
 
You called someone a bonehead for saying the parlor owner was under investigation for dealing. He was right.
I'm saying a tattoo artist's legal issues has absolutely NOTHING to do with the players. Please elaborate how that involves Tressel in any kind of wrongdoing.

It would be like the media trying to make you look like a drug dealer just because you stopped to get a tat. That is a bonehead accusation.
 
That's just your opinion. There is absolutely nothing you can base that on. He's only required to accept the penalty and move on. That's all. It's people freaking out like you, that come to those conclusions. You're the one creating these delusional fantasies that the NCAA Boogie Man's going to appear after Tressel finishes paying his penalty.

People have been just as delusional in thinking that because a coach worked for Saban, they know how to win. :crazy:

Yes its just me. Thats why every team that is out looking for a coach is knocking down his door, oh thats right they aren't. I'm willing to bet thats theres more truth to my side than yours and its known by almost every AD in the country. If it was all as simple, cut and dry like you said then every small school looking to make a name for itself would be fighting each other to get him. But they aren't are they, heck no schools are even mentioning him, why is that. As you've pointed out his record is impeccable and he's truly done nothing but win, so why is it that no school no matter how deseperate they are, are going after him? If his infractions were as minor as ur making them out to be and his show cause is so flimsy then why isn;t there a single AD or program willing to take a chance on him?

Just because the NCAA couldn't prove everything beyond a reasonable doubt doesn;t mean that every AD in the country doesn't know what was really going on and the NCAA just couldn't get enough evidence, that time, to build the case against him. You can go pull out any article or whatever else u can find and say "see this was all it was", but if thats all it really was and that was the truth of the matter he would have found another job already. Some middle of the road school would've given him the chance to come back and prove himself and fought the "flimsy" show cause to also help put their program in the national spotlight. The truth of the matter is there is more to it than just what the NCAA could prove and every AD in the country knows that, otherwise he wouldn't be unemployed and available for us to talk about.
 
I was simply replying to your request for more information. I think you wanted to know what newspapers and what articles I was talking about. I think it more than clearly paints the picture of the atmosphere at OSU. and Youngstown State, as everyone is saying on the board, " Where there's smoke there's fire. Just take a little time to read them. If you don't believe them, that everyone is conspiring to bring down Tressel, there's nothing more I can say. Reputable sources.
You are saying these articles = Tressel is a Drug Dealer and a Cheating Lier? That's your evidence? :crazy:

The players traded a jersey for tatoos. Big freakin whoop. It's their property. You implying, out of sheer ignorance, that because the tatoo artist had a sketchy past, that implicates the players and Coach Tressel in it. What do they have to do with his past drug history?

The report even states that there is no connection, but you have been trying to use the article to say there is.:blink:
 
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everyone cheats!!! your not cheating ur not trying... tressel will recruit and win if hired.. hes a winner.. you would be amazed to find out illegal activities going on at universities. so to sit here and argue about hiring a cheater is pointless.
 
Dude, you are talking straight out your arse. Saying "it was in the newspapers" isn't a source of (factual) information. I provided the NCAA ruling earlier in the thread. Read it myself and folks can do the same. But boneheads like you keep popping in here, talking nonsense. Wasn't a damn thing in the NCAA ruling about a drug deal, player arrests or anything like that. Absolute BS. :loco:

Bring some evidence with you next time you post here.

I provided my links.
 
I'm saying a tattoo artist's legal issues has absolutely NOTHING to do with the players. Please elaborate how that involves Tressel in any kind of wrongdoing.

It would be like the media trying to make you look like a drug dealer just because you stopped to get a tat. That is a bonehead accusation.

The simple fact is that Tressel got caught protecting his players (even if they were idiots) and the school threw him under the bus to save face.

Also, no amount of ancient SI articles change the fact that no other coaching candidate has a more polished cfb resume than Tressel. Heck, only Urban Meyer and Nick Saban have better resumes in all of cfb.

Don't let theses fools cloud those facts.
 
tressel!!!! god i got ridiculed a few days back when the gruden shenanigans fell thru.. sweater vest would recruit is tits off.. and he is a proven winner.. he can still compete in sec championships correct?
 
Yes its just me. Thats why every team that is out looking for a coach is knocking down his door, oh thats right they aren't. I'm willing to bet thats theres more truth to my side than yours and its known by almost every AD in the country. If it was all as simple, cut and dry like you said then every small school looking to make a name for itself would be fighting each other to get him. But they aren't are they, heck no schools are even mentioning him, why is that. As you've pointed out his record is impeccable and he's truly done nothing but win, so why is it that no school no matter how deseperate they are, are going after him? If his infractions were as minor as ur making them out to be and his show cause is so flimsy then why isn;t there a single AD or program willing to take a chance on him?

Just because the NCAA couldn't prove everything beyond a reasonable doubt doesn;t mean that every AD in the country doesn't know what was really going on and the NCAA just couldn't get enough evidence, that time, to build the case against him. You can go pull out any article or whatever else u can find and say "see this was all it was", but if thats all it really was and that was the truth of the matter he would have found another job already. Some middle of the road school would've given him the chance to come back and prove himself and fought the "flimsy" show cause to also help put their program in the national spotlight. The truth of the matter is there is more to it than just what the NCAA could prove and every AD in the country knows that, otherwise he wouldn't be unemployed and available for us to talk about.

You are assuming that Tressel hasn't been asked to coach and then turned that opportunity down. That is an assumption you can't safely make.
 
Dude...this is a case study of posters spewing garbage because they don't have a clue what they are talking about.

The link you are using here is saying an Ohio court sanctioned the lawyer friend of Tressel for violating client/lawyer confidentiality. Meaning he had no business even talking to Tressel about the Parlor owner/artist. Here is a quote from this article you claim implicates Tressel as being dirty.

Justice Judith Lanzinger said the case went to the heart of the importance of confidentiality between a prospective client and an attorney.

"Prospective clients trust that their confidences will be protected when they engage in an initial consultation with an attorney," Lanzinger wrote. "Cicero's almost immediate dissemination of the detailed information that Rife provided on April 15 directly violated that trust."


The court suspending the lawyer, doesn't implicate Tressel in any wrongdoing...at all.

Want a do-over?
 
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Dude...this is a case example of spewing garbage because you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

The link you are using here is saying an Ohio court sanctioned the lawyer friend of Tressel for violating client/lawyer confidentiality. Meaning he had no business even talking to Tressel about the Parlor owner/artist.

Justice Judith Lanzinger said the case went to the heart of the importance of confidentiality between a prospective client and an attorney.

"Prospective clients trust that their confidences will be protected when they engage in an initial consultation with an attorney," Lanzinger wrote. "Cicero's almost immediate dissemination of the detailed information that Rife provided on April 15 directly violated that trust."

Want a do-over?

That is what it says. It also talks about the federal investigation that prompted the attorney talking to the parlor owner. That does prove what I said. All I said was that this all started because of a federal drug investigation. I never said it was a player-coach drug ring. I never said anything about Tressel. I was simply countering you calling someone a bonehead when they said that this started because of a federal drug investigation.

You are right that he should've never told Tressel.

Cicero met with Rife on April 2, 2010, according to court documents, and again 13 days later to discuss whether Cicero would represent him in a federal drug trafficking case, according to a complaint against him by the Disciplinary Counsel of the Ohio Supreme Court.

Cicero, an Ohio State football player in the early 1980s, denied meeting with Rife on April 2. He said the two did meet on April 15, 2010, with the goal of confirming that Rife's partner, a former client of Cicero, wasn't involved with drug dealing or memorabilia sales.

Rife's house had been raided April 1 by federal drug investigators and Cicero wanted to know if Joseph Epling, his client and Rife's business partner, was involved in the case.
 
That is what it says. It also talks about the federal investigation that prompted the attorney talking to the parlor owner. That does prove what I said. All I said was that this all started because of a federal drug investigation. I never said it was a player-coach drug ring. I never said anything about Tressel. I was simply countering you calling someone a bonehead when they said that this started because of a federal drug investigation.

You are right that he should've never told Tressel.
Again, the parlor owner having a past legal issue doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the players or coaches. I said it was boneheaded to try and make that (nonsensical) leap.

If you go tomorrow to have a tat on your arm, are you going to ask them for a background check before you let them paint on your arm? If not, does that mean you are linked in any possible way to their past legal problems?
 
Yes its just me. Thats why every team that is out looking for a coach is knocking down his door, oh thats right they aren't. I'm willing to bet thats theres more truth to my side than yours and its known by almost every AD in the country. If it was all as simple, cut and dry like you said then every small school looking to make a name for itself would be fighting each other to get him. But they aren't are they, heck no schools are even mentioning him, why is that. As you've pointed out his record is impeccable and he's truly done nothing but win, so why is it that no school no matter how deseperate they are, are going after him? If his infractions were as minor as ur making them out to be and his show cause is so flimsy then why isn;t there a single AD or program willing to take a chance on him?

Just because the NCAA couldn't prove everything beyond a reasonable doubt doesn;t mean that every AD in the country doesn't know what was really going on and the NCAA just couldn't get enough evidence, that time, to build the case against him. You can go pull out any article or whatever else u can find and say "see this was all it was", but if thats all it really was and that was the truth of the matter he would have found another job already. Some middle of the road school would've given him the chance to come back and prove himself and fought the "flimsy" show cause to also help put their program in the national spotlight. The truth of the matter is there is more to it than just what the NCAA could prove and every AD in the country knows that, otherwise he wouldn't be unemployed and available for us to talk about.
Eric Ainge was addicted to BIG drugs WHILE playing at UT. Including Cocaine and Heroin. Fulmer should be banned for life...if you care to apply the same standard here.

New York Jets QB Erik Ainge opens up about his years of drug abuse and his ongoing battle with addiction and mental illness - ESPN New York
 

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