Joe Milton outperforming Drake Maye

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pimo1 said:
My vocabulary is quite expansive. Play whatever semantics you want but it's clear in tone and tenor that it is hate. Completely unnecessary and irrelevant jabs are what else?
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People have doubts. That isn't hate. I've seen my son play football and I told him he better do well in school, because football wasn't going to be his path. From your response, that would imply that I hate my son. If you can't be critical without it being hate, then your spouse, assuming you have one, will live a more praised life than any other couple in history. If she ever tells you that you didn't wash the dishes correctly, make sure you melt down and ask her why she hates you so much.
 
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Patriots coach Jerod Mayo stated on Saturday that he was unsure of how the lineup will look on game night (Panthers Thursday). However, he did mention the possibility of playing the starters.

One would have to think rookie No. 3 overall draft pick Drake Maye will get a closer look in a game setting. Joe Milton and Bailey Zappe should see work as well considering they’re both battling for the No. 3 quarterback spot on the roster.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
You're completely missing the point. Certainly UT has a storied and great legacy of producing good football players but thousands have slapped the sign and only few hundred have had the honor of being drafted into the NFL.

Slicing up Joe Milton as a Vol that wasn't extraordinary just isn't the truth. He was and he is an extremely talented football player.

That fans are butthurt and want to throw mud at the guy because they think he DIDN'T give enough, DIDN'T excel enough, DIDN'T do whatever they thought he should do is BS when he accomplished something few Vols have.

It's ridiculous, frankly. He's a damn good football player.
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He “Didn’t” put any touch on the ball, there I said it.
Now go back to your safe place before your feelings get hurt.
 
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LAVol1 said:
I don't see any "hate". I think all wish him well. They are just expressing VALID opinions based on what they have seen. The word "hate" is way over-used and needs to be toned down.
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Surely you jest! Would it be OK to express valid OPINIONS about their class for expressing their opinions and still have a clean VOL card? The impetus for feeling the need to share opinions can be telling. Opinions can be REAL, not sure VALID is in play.
 
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snappervol said:
He “Didn’t” put any touch on the ball, there I said it.
Now go back to your safe place before your feelings get hurt.
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His touch needed work. No one said he was Trevor Lawrence reincarnated but he's reportedly working hard on his touch and having a great camp.

That's an NFL camp. Where very few QBs ever even have a chance to visit.

He's a fine football player. Get over it.
 
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His physical traits make you think he would produce more. The fact is, he is average. Since he has all the physical traits, it is either football IQ, or lack of effort. I do think he gave his all, so that leads me to believe it is football IQ. He is however a really good practice player, and has fooled several good coaches.
 
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B81 said:
His physical traits make you think he would produce more. The fact is, he is average. Since he has all the physical traits, it is either football IQ, or lack of effort. I do think he gave his all, so that leads me to believe it is football IQ. He is however a really good practice player, and has fooled several good coaches.
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What's your assessment of Casey Clausen? He had great tools. Low football IQ?

That's a pretty weak take on any QB.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
What's your assessment of Casey Clausen? He had great tools. Low football IQ?

That's a pretty weak take on any QB.
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Clausen was a very good college qb. Not as physically gifted as Milton. Clausen was a slower runner and had a weaker arm, yet was more successful than Milton in college. Thanks for making my point.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
What's your assessment of Casey Clausen? He had great tools. Low football IQ?

That's a pretty weak take on any QB.
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Casey knew how to throw the ball. As good as anticipation as any QB that's played up there since the middle 60s. Not the strongest of arms but strong enough to nail deep outs. He beat Alabama 3 times. 2 at Alabama. He beat Florida twice, both in Gainesville. He won at Notre Dame. He ripped Michigan in a bowl game. Freaking gamer
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Other than his need to learn to read defenses, I think Joe is/will benefit from having pro level WRs who can catch passes faster and harder than being softball pitched to them. NFL DBs are fast, cover far better than college DBs. Being able to rifle a pass that threads narrow spaces is a must. I really think JoMil show out better as a pro than he did as a collegiate player. The howitzer heaver, the javelin hurler, and catapult caster is coming.
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Milton didn’t process things fast enough in college. That’s going to be FAR worse in the NFL.
 
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All you have to do is watch the first drive of the Texas AM game to see Milton’s football IQ. On 3rd down and 8 AM jumps offsides and Milton ends up running could have had the 1st down but runs out of bounds. We take penalty and don’t make 3rd and 3. You had a free play either throw it or make the first on the run which he could have done.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
All you have to do is watch the first drive of the Texas AM game to see Milton’s football IQ. On 3rd down and 8 AM jumps offsides and Milton ends up running could have had the 1st down but runs out of bounds. We take penalty and don’t make 3rd and 3. You had a free play either throw it or make the first on the run which he could have done.
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Hindsight always seems clear. Dayum. I take it you played on a number of championship teams?


Didn’t think so.




It never boils down to one play. Imbecilic.
 
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I could be wrong, but is he really going to get a chance? Those front office guys taking a win early in the first seem like they would not make it easy on JM. Hype him up to get him out of there more likely. I don’t think he will ever get to be the starter in this scenario
 
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B81 said:
Clausen was a very good college qb. Not as physically gifted as Milton. Clausen was a slower runner and had a weaker arm, yet was more successful than Milton in college. Thanks for making my point.
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Hehehehehe, as if college mattered. Remind me again why?
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Casey knew how to throw the ball. As good as anticipation as any QB that's played up there since the middle 60s. Not the strongest of arms but strong enough to nail deep outs. He beat Alabama 3 times. 2 at Alabama. He beat Florida twice, both in Gainesville. He won at Notre Dame. He ripped Michigan in a bowl game. Freaking gamer
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Agreed. As was Joe. But let's talk about Casey at the next level.......uh....... wasn't that overseas where American football is.........

Joe is currently at an NFL camp.

And I love Casey AND Joe but hate this crap of dissing VFLs. It's silly. Both Casey and Joe are extremely gifted athletes.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Agreed. As was Joe. But let's talk about Casey at the next level.......uh....... wasn't that overseas where American football is.........

Joe is currently at an NFL camp.

And I love Casey AND Joe but hate this crap of dissing VFLs. It's silly. Both Casey and Joe are extremely gifted athletes.
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Casey was a great college QB, but he didn't have the skills to excel in the NFL
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Casey was a great college QB, but he didn't have the skills to excel in the NFL
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That's because the lacked the drive or the intelligence like Joe, right?

That's what I find silly about you guys dogging Joe. Is it the physical gifts? No. Is it the the drive? No.

Basically many people just want to diss Joe because he didn't give them what they wanted at UT. Neither did Peyton, really.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
What's your assessment of Casey Clausen? He had great tools. Low football IQ?

That's a pretty weak take on any QB.
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Clausen was a victim of a Low IQ head coach. It still baffles me that he didn't throw for 4,000 yards in 2001 with that backfield and receiver corps.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
That's because the lacked the drive or the intelligence like Joe, right?

That's what I find silly about you guys dogging Joe. Is it the physical gifts? No. Is it the the drive? No.

Basically many people just want to diss Joe because he didn't give them what they wanted at UT. Neither did Peyton, really.
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I've never dogged Joe. Get a grip. Never insinuated what you're suggesting
 
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B81 said:
His physical traits make you think he would produce more. The fact is, he is average. Since he has all the physical traits, it is either football IQ, or lack of effort. I do think he gave his all, so that leads me to believe it is football IQ. He is however a really good practice player, and has fooled several good coaches.
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A few things:

1. He was an above-average college QB. Not great. But not average, either.
2. You leave out a third possibility…he lacked the ability to produce at a higher rate. Could be mental or physical. We’d have to get into the weeds with his coaches and scouts to understand the issues completely. But there is no denying that he had some issues at the college level.* One being the inability to slow down the fastball on certain throws (i.e., touch). Being more consistently accurate is another.
3. Because of the cannon on his right shoulder, I can see why the Patriots took a shot with him. Some players process the pro game better than college even though, in reality, the pro game is way more complex. People have been saying it Joe’s entire career, but if it ever completely clicks, he has the arm to be great.
4. I never thought for a second that Joe gave anything less than 100% while at UT. In fact, he appeared to be a model teammate.
5. It is okay to objectively analyze a player’s strengths and weaknesses. It doesn’t make anyone a hater to do that. And to the snowflakes who just look for reasons to get butthurt over the smallest things…grow up. This board was made for commentary.

*Yes, we had other issues, including the WRs, so it wasn’t entirely on Joe. However, to not see his part in the passing game challenges is delusional.
 
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