John Brice - Rick Barnes Extended, $5.9 Million

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My suspicion, or rather my assertion here is that Tennessee's situation with football has driven it to overvalue in its other coaches. UT has been irrelevant in the chief collegiate sport for a decade. That stench has lingered for so long that the UTAD feels it must have some leg to stand on with respect to national competitiveness, and if that means overpaying Rick Barnes or Tony Vitello, then so be it. Or more succinctly, I feel Tennessee is paying for stability, which is overpriced in Tennessee's market due to its instability in football. And from an AD perspective, it will likely have no further reason to invest attention or energy into basketball's long term health until 2025 at the earliest. Easy to market, keeps butts in seats, and frees them up to spend time on other problems. And football continues to be a big problem.

Also, definitely big for kids asking how long Barnes will be the coach. 2026 means that anyone through 2022 can ask "will you be there all four years?" and Barnes can point to the contract and say "yep."

Personally, I don't know that I mind. 25 wins and signing five star players is such an oasis in the football desert that I can live with it. Even if I wish we'd go further with all the riches. Maybe we'll see them dig up an acorn or two before it's over.
 
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zjcvols said:
There is a lot of money involved you’re right. But compared to others, here are some names who Barnes is projected to be paid above:

Chris Beard
Tom Izzo
Bill Self
Tony Bennett
Scott Drew

And there are plenty involved. I guess my point is if Barnes is getting another pay raise then he better start producing results
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Cool…those coaches lining up to coach in Knoxville? There’s a much longer list of coaches who are performing worse than Barnes.
 
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zjcvols said:
Making back to back SECT Finals isn’t an accomplishment. No matter how many times you want it to be. Nobody cares about the SECT runner up.
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It’s never been done before. You are bragging on Vitello for doing something that hadn’t happened in 16 years. Ever > 16 years.
 
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Stoked said:
Our fans will bitch about anything and everything lol... If an AD doesn't pay a coach well they'll bitch and moan about that... if he gets paid they'll bitch and moan about that... name me a better coach we could realistically get here at UT than Coach Barnes? He's completely elevated our program to a level it's not been in my life time? Not quite the tournament success Pearl had, but also Rick didn't inherit Lofton and Watson so he had a head start!

Enjoy CRB while we have him because who knows when we'll have a HoF coach who has 700+ wins under his belt again. If he stays another 5 years there's a good chance that he'll be in the top 10 winningest coaches of all time.
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This is a very real problem UT has had for a very long time. The actions of the ADs over Barnes are more than justified in combating this problem. We had decades of half assery and neglect before we got lucky with our last two ADs actually taking meaningful action in securing a quality bball coach.

I'd be willing to bet that the raises and extensions Barnes is receiving today will pay huge dividends to UT bball when we replace him.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It’s never been done before. You are bragging on Vitello for doing something that hadn’t happened in 16 years. Ever > 16 years.
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Because a College World Series is a significant accomplishment. Losing in the SECT Finals isn’t. And the fact you do means you have the lowest expectations I’ve ever known of a UT fan or you love Barnes so much you’re reaching so far to defend him.

I haven’t been to TBA in a couple years but I don’t think they hung a banner for losing in the SECT.
 
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SGMVols said:
Tony Vitello is about to become one of, if not the highest paid coach in college baseball even after going two and done in Omaha, and our fans almost universally agree that it’s deserved, and I agree.

I just don’t understand why Barnes doesn’t get the same benefit of the doubt. The basketball program was the laughingstock of the nation before he got here, after firing two coaches for cause in four years.
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Meant to say this earlier…Vitello’s resume/results doesn’t warrant Top 5 money, but that’s almost certainly what he’s going to get and what the majority of this fan base is begging White to give him. Lol
 
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zjcvols said:
Because one is a 42 year old who did something that hasn’t happened in 16 years, has improved every year and made the CWS in his fourth year while the other is a 67 year old who has made one S16 in his last 12 years of coaching
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Lmao, the lens you try to paint Barnes in is laughable. You make the above comments and want to ignore the things Barnes has done no other coach at UT ever has, including Pearl, comical.
 
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zjcvols said:
Well if you take out that very big caveat that’s a very significant part of being a power 6 conference team lol. I value tournament success very highly.
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So does your definition of being top 15 begin and end when the tournament gets to the Sweet 16? What about all Cinderella mid majors that make deep runs?
 
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zjcvols said:
Because a College World Series is a significant accomplishment. Losing in the SECT Finals isn’t. And the fact you do means you have the lowest expectations I’ve ever known of a UT fan or you love Barnes so much you’re reaching so far to defend him.

I haven’t been to TBA in a couple years but I don’t think they hung a banner for losing in the SECT.
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Before Barnes, TN was the #1 program in the country for one week. In its entire 100 plus year history. One week. Barnes had TN #1 for a month. He’s also keeping them as a regular member of the top 25. It’s really not a reach at all to defend Barnes after the stupid criticisms that I read in this forum.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao, the lens you try to paint Barnes in is laughable. You make the above comments and want to ignore the things Barnes has done no other coach at UT ever has, including Pearl, comical.
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What results has Barnes done at UT that no other coach has done? Number 1 for a month? That’s not even really an actual accomplishment!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Meant to say this earlier…Vitello’s resume/results doesn’t warrant Top 5 money, but that’s almost certainly what he’s going to get and what the majority of this fan base is begging White to give him. Lol
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In these situations, it's all about leverage. Due to his much lower salary and our limited baseball facilities, Vitello has all the leverage in the world. Barnes, due to his age and already large salary, does not nearly have the amount of leverage.

Both are very good coaches. They just have different amounts of leverage.
 
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Again, it’s been awhile since I’ve been to TBA but do schools hang banners for being #1 for a month?
 
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zjcvols said:
Because a College World Series is a significant accomplishment. Losing in the SECT Finals isn’t. And the fact you do means you have the lowest expectations I’ve ever known of a UT fan or you love Barnes so much you’re reaching so far to defend him.

I haven’t been to TBA in a couple years but I don’t think they hung a banner for losing in the SECT.
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I agree with this, but it led me to a slightly off-topic thought. How would UT Basketball teams have faired if the NCAA Mens BB Tourney was ran how Baseball runs their year end tourneys. (Regional/Double Elim + Super Regionals/Double Elim + CWS/Double Elim style). I'd have to say that some of Barnes teams that ran into just some really bad games or hot teams would fair better in this format.

I may pose this question in a separate thread because I think it'd be a fun case study. Two different games and two different styles of post-season.
 
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wmcovol said:
Tennessee doing Tennessee things.....giving underperforming coaches more money.

Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Barnes and all future coaches should earn their raises and extensions with performance of their teams. The past 2 seasons havent been that great for Barnes IMO and certainly not worthy of a increase and extension.
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Extending Barnes is not even close to some of our past stupid football decisions, which I assume is what you are referring to. Pruitt and Butch did not deserve their extensions in hindsight, but let's not try and compare those decisions to anything close to Barnes. Not to mention Barnes has completely repaired the image of Tennessee Basketball, which goes a long way when our football program is a complete disaster.

Neither Pruitt nor Butch came close to sniffing an SEC East title, let alone a regular season conference championship like Barnes. Neither Pruitt nor Butch took their team to No. 1 overall for 5-weeks. Neither Pruitt nor Butch has an accomplishment similar to a Sweet-16 or a 30-win season. Our football decisions have been uniquely stupid for almost 15 years. Basketball is not even close.
 
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I wonder if UNC or Arizona kicked the tires here with Barnes and that's what led to the extension. Realistically, it's the only thing that makes sense to justify it from a leverage standpoint.
 
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zjcvols said:
What results has Barnes done at UT that no other coach has done? Number 1 for a month? That’s not even really an actual accomplishment!
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The 3rd SEC title in 40 years. In a conference that has 40% more members than during the 1st 7 championships. 3 of TN’s 23 NCAAT appearances. One of only 8 Sweet 16s.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
In these situations, it's all about leverage. Due to his much lower salary and our limited baseball facilities, Vitello has all the leverage in the world. Barnes, due to his age and already large salary, does not nearly have the amount of leverage.

Both are very good coaches. They just have different amounts of leverage.
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I don’t think this was a leverage move from Barnes (if even true), when UCLA was calling yes, he had leverage…like I’ve said, I think this was White showing that he’s committed to Barnes and the basketball program.
 
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