John Jancek???

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Jancek wants to run man to man and it's already been mentioned that he should have manned the outside during the AU game, even though we don't have the players to do such a thing. The true problem is we have one CB right now that can officially man up his man properly, and that is Sutton. Coleman is terrible, our nickel CBs are terrible, and our S continue to take horrible angles. IMO our best bet is to send fire blitz to the outside to contain the edge with our S and just drop Brewer and Sapp into coverage every time. Now clearly we aren't going to do that, but that's a good illustration of just how bad our D-line is at this point. We play a gap control defense and our D-line cant even push guys into the gap. AJ and Brewer do just fine stopping run plays up the middle, it's when the ball goes to the outside that our true lack of athleticism and great ball players begins to show.
 
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SGMVols said:
The big problem with using that as an excuse to ignore the '09 disaster at UGA is that the other co-DC is also on our staff. These two gave up 45 points to Jonathan friggin' Crompton.

Not to mention the competition level at Cincinnati is quite a bit lower than it is at Georgia, don't you think?
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So was Rodney Gardner who a lot on here have wanted to rehire.

The competition at Cincy may be less but so is the talent pool.
 
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SGMVols said:
The big problem with using that as an excuse to ignore the '09 disaster at UGA is that the other co-DC is also on our staff. These two gave up 45 points to Jonathan friggin' Crompton.

Not to mention the competition level at Cincinnati is quite a bit lower than it is at Georgia, don't you think?
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I agree the level of competition is lower than at Georgia. However, the players he had at Cincy were also of a lower level than Georgia. It wasn't like Cincy had SEC talent playing against the Big East competition. My point was the talent level was equal, and he was successful.

I don't know why they weren't successful at UGA. I don't care. How many "co"-coordinators have EVER been successful....anywhere? I don't think it ever works, so to me it is no shock it didn't work there.
 
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keckjm said:
Jancek wants to run man to man and it's already been mentioned that he should have manned the outside during the AU game, even though we don't have the players to do such a thing. The true problem is we have one CB right now that can officially man up his man properly, and that is Sutton. Coleman is terrible, our nickel CBs are terrible, and our S continue to take horrible angles. IMO our best bet is to send fire blitz to the outside to contain the edge with our S and just drop Brewer and Sapp into coverage every time. Now clearly we aren't going to do that, but that's a good illustration of just how bad our D-line is at this point. We play a gap control defense and our D-line cant even push guys into the gap. AJ and Brewer do just fine stopping run plays up the middle, it's when the ball goes to the outside that our true lack of athleticism and great ball players begins to show.
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Brewer reminds me of a blender. Poor guy has gone from baseball to safety to linebacker from minor league baseball coaches to Dooley to Jones. I appreciate his effort and it would be hard for anyone to know what the heck is going on from all of that.
 
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jkleno said:
Brewer reminds me of a blender. Poor guy has gone from baseball to safety to linebacker from minor league baseball coaches to Dooley to Jones. I appreciate his effort and it would be hard for anyone to know what the heck is going on from all of that.
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He's also being asked to run a QB spy a lot of the time, and he simply doesn't posses the quickness to efficiently shut down a QB like AU has. It's a coaches job to put players in the best position to succeed, and in the AU game Jancek failed very bad in this regard.
 
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volfan411 said:
Who hasn't he recruited. His defense last season was ranked 34th and it is ranked 36th this year with his players and all we have heard is he failed at Georgia with a good talent. Someone had to recruit it so you tell me who did.
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Where are you getting that our D is ranked 36th? We are 92nd in yards allowed at 434 and also 92nd in scoring D at 32.0 pts per game.

I am not on the "fire Jancek" bandwagon, but ...
 
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Brewer did not play "alright". Not hating on him but when youre playing QB spy and you bite on the fake handoff, you're not doing your job. You have one job and that's follow the QB no matter what.
 
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BanditVol said:
Where are you getting that our D is ranked 36th? We are 92nd in yards allowed at 434 and also 92nd in scoring D at 32.0 pts per game.

I am not on the "fire Jancek" bandwagon, but ...
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Sorry his defense at Cincy was ranked 34th and this season it is 36th.

I was trying to make a point that he recruits quality players.
 
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You could play man coverage if you have experienced corners which we do not. Our lb's were in position to make plays but they are slow which makes them lose a half step when they are facing a quick running back or qb. To me the biggest disappointment on the defense is our safeties, they have not tackled well when we needed a stop. These things happen when you don't have a consistent pass rush or experienced secondary.
 
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1SmokinVol said:
Your thread title was excellent-

Jancek????

Truth is who knows if this guy is any good, so far in the last 6 years we have had 1 good D coordinator here in Wilcox. Why these guys don't go back and see what he did with his minimal talent is beyond me. The year J Wilcox was D Coordinator at UT we had the 28th ranked D in the Country...
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You know--that's a great post. I was wrong about Wilcox! I thought he was good, but not aggressive enough to succeed in the SEC. Several VN posters said he couldn't be back then because of the lack of talent in the secondary--and I just didn't buy it.

I would take him back in a second....:salute:
 
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Hopefully not TOO OFF TOPIC but how does that hack Belichick have a gig?...didn't he fail with the Browns?...back to one shot failures on VN :)
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BanditVol said:
I am not on the "fire Jancek" bandwagon, but ...
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FWIW, I am. Jancek has not produced a well-coached defense this year. Looking at his overall coaching resume, there is nothing to suggest he will do so next year, or ever. A player does not have to be a 5-star athlete to tackle in space or be in position to defend a play - just one with sound coaching.

Even if Vandy rings up 35+ points on UT (a distinct possibility), however, CBJ will likely not fire him after only one year, especially considering the players who will wear orange for the first time next year. But unlike HCs, assistants have no expectation of 3 years minimum. Johnny Majors, for example, gained a reputation as a "crusty old coach" because he kept firing assistants until he had a group (including the Chief, Fulmer and Cut) who could get the job done.
 
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albedo33 said:
FWIW, I am. Jancek has not produced a well-coached defense this year. Looking at his overall coaching resume, there is nothing to suggest he will do so next year, or ever. A player does not have to be a 5-star athlete to tackle in space or be in position to defend a play - just one with sound coaching.

Even if Vandy rings up 35+ points on UT (a distinct possibility), however, CBJ will likely not fire him after only one year, especially considering the players who will wear orange for the first time next year. But unlike HCs, assistants have no expectation of 3 years minimum. Johnny Majors, for example, gained a reputation as a "crusty old coach" because he kept firing assistants until he had a group (including the Chief, Fulmer and Cut) who could get the job done.
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We don't need to be firing anyone. Trust me I'm not a believer in Mike B. offensive game plan, but we need some stability. If I were CBJ I'd say after the season look guys, Mike B. and Jancek that is, we have to change it up a bit because we are playing elite competition now. I'd also tell them that if they want to make any changes to their staff that this is the time to do it, because next year we have to produce better results.
 
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albedo33 said:
FWIW, I am. Jancek has not produced a well-coached defense this year. Looking at his overall coaching resume, there is nothing to suggest he will do so next year, or ever. A player does not have to be a 5-star athlete to tackle in space or be in position to defend a play - just one with sound coaching.

Even if Vandy rings up 35+ points on UT (a distinct possibility), however, CBJ will likely not fire him after only one year, especially considering the players who will wear orange for the first time next year. But unlike HCs, assistants have no expectation of 3 years minimum. Johnny Majors, for example, gained a reputation as a "crusty old coach" because he kept firing assistants until he had a group (including the Chief, Fulmer and Cut) who could get the job done.
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If we give up 35+ to Vandy, I wouldn't be surprised if some defensive changes are made. UT isn't CMU or Cincy. The boosters will push for the exit of Jancek. I would hope that isn't the case, but CBJ doesn't have the power to keep his "band of brothers" if the boosters want a scapegoat. Just my opinion. Let's beat Vandy and KY and focus on bowl game 2014.
 
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I'm certainly in the minority but I largely believe issues on both sides of the ball predominately fall on 2 intangibles, confidence and trust. In their teammates, the scheme, the coaches, and in themselves. They have none and when you see it erode in games it goes quickly. Guys start to get wandering eyes, alligator arm catches, over pursue to be the hero, short throw the ball etc.

We certainly have enough team speed to have better showings than we have. We've regrouped in some games and had better second halves despite depth issues too on both sides of the ball. What I consistently see is guys get out hustled and then start to get desperate and more and more get mentally whipped before the play begins. This has a lot to do with turnover and failure being engrained and no quick change to roster or staff will fix it. I'm not suggesting this is the "best staff in America" but we need a staff to point to for these guys to complete some actual buy in and consistency with. Just my 2 cents. I believe Wilcox and Dooley partially had an easier go of it early on because we had recent memory of being a resilient and winning team. Outside of NC state and USC this team doesn't have that.
 
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jkleno said:
You are right with #1. We were fortunate to get the recruits for 2013 and many of them were offensive players and DB's/athletes. CBJ did a great job of getting what he could. The 2014 class looks much more balanced with more LB's.
What about #2? How much more coaching is it going to take to get players to get off blocks and go make tackles. The coaches can't make the tackles for them and at what point do the coaches just think they are uncoachable and put in someone else?
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Unfortunately, all the coaching staff can do is try to get the best out of what they have until help arrives. To make matters worse, one would have to assume that the current defensive starters are the best we have. And lastly, I'm not sold on Jancek and Martinez.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Hopefully he sees what Richt saw and sends his ass packing
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Count, I remember seeing a thread about CJJ when he was announced as the DC. Someone put up the numbers of the defense that year and it wasn't bad. Also it was stated that they had injuries at key positions and were forced to play a lot of youngsters. If I remember correctly, the DC's at GA were Richt's scapegoats and got fired because that was Richt's only way to save his own butt.

With that said, I'm not at all defending Jancek, as our defense has left a lot to be desired. But I do believe he should not be judged after 10 games and will get another year (maybe more depending on future performace) to show what he can do.

Also, OP conveniently left out the rest of CJJ's qoute, "“When they run the quarterback, it’s an equalizer. We didn’t tackle well. He had obviously great athletic ability and speed. We got exposed. We have to live with it, but we also have a duty and obligation to correct it. That’s our job as coaches and that’s what we intend on doing.”

Sounds like he took responsibility and admitted there's a problem that has to be corrected.
 
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FEARinSEC said:
Count, I remember seeing a thread about CJJ when he was announced as the DC. Someone put up the numbers of the defense that year and it wasn't bad. Also it was stated that they had injuries at key positions and were forced to play a lot of youngsters. If I remember correctly, the DC's at GA were Richt's scapegoats and got fired because that was Richt's only way to save his own butt.

With that said, I'm not at all defending Jancek, as our defense has left a lot to be desired. But I do believe he should not be judged after 10 games and will get another year (maybe more depending on future performace) to show what he can do.

Also, OP conveniently left out the rest of CJJ's qoute, "“When they run the quarterback, it’s an equalizer. We didn’t tackle well. He had obviously great athletic ability and speed. We got exposed. We have to live with it, but we also have a duty and obligation to correct it. That’s our job as coaches and that’s what we intend on doing.”

Sound like he took responsibility and admitted there's a problem that has to be corrected.
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Sorry...got to redact the last 2 1/2 paragraphs....too much fact...not enough self-important ranting...last warning :)
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I only read a couple of pages of this thread, but with my limited knowledge of football, I think our back end on defense is slow and not disciplined. Randolph is fair and the best we have. But I saw McNeil take poor angles and show no speed many times against Auburn. Brewer, while now a LB, didn't help much either. We need a complete overhaul on defense, and help is coming. I wouldn't put all of the blame on coaches because I find it hard to believe that they teach bad angles. I think we have some players who just can't get it done. JMO.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
My only point was that this staff, against similar competition, was successful. I just don't put a whole lot of weight behind 1 year as a "co" coordinator. I said I don't know if they will ultimately succeed (hope so), but that is what I was basing my judgement on so far.
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Yeah, I'm not so sure we would even have the money to buy out a contract at this point for any assistant coach. I think they all deserve a couple of years. I just wasn't thrilled with the choice at D-coordinator.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Until you have the right players to execute the scheme you really can't judge it. We have no pass rushers, subpar DBs, and LB's who can't play in space. If we had any chance on defense it would be to run a zone and you can't stop the spread with the zone. It also would help if Hood would stop getting blown off the ball.
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We couldn't stop either way.
 
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