John Jancek???

[First&Tenn]

Your thread title was excellent-

Jancek????

Truth is who knows if this guy is any good, so far in the last 6 years we have had 1 good D coordinator here in Wilcox. Why these guys don't go back and see what he did with his minimal talent is beyond me. The year J Wilcox was D Coordinator at UT we had the 28th ranked D in the Country...

Wilcox was here for two years.

In 2008, Chavis had the UT D ranked #3 in the nation in total D.

In 2009, Monte Kiffin had the UT D ranked #22.

In 2010, Wilcox had the UT D ranked #69.

In 2011, Wilcox had the UT D ranked #28 (as noted in your post).

In 2012, Sunseri had the UT D ranked #107.

Currently, Jancek has the Vols ranked #91. (However, two of the easiest games on an absolutely brutal schedule still remain, so that rank is likely to rise some).

Overall, the D trended downward from 2008 through Wilcox's first season, then he rebounded to a respectable ranking after the players learned his system. You are correct that none of us really know what Jancek will ultimately put on the field. However, you could say that Jancek's first D is 22 spots below Wilcox's first D, or you could just as easily say that the D in Wilcox's first year fell 47 spots from the prior year while Jancek's has improved by 16 spots.

I don't really think that any of us will know much more until we have more data.

 

[Tenacguy50]

Standford's D has average speed yet contained the ducks with scheme, good tackling, and hard nosed football. :twocents: :hi:

Great point...:hi:

 

[TGVol]

Jancek is fine for now.

How many of you wanted Monte Kiffin fired when McCluster burned us for 200+ on the ground?

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Monte Kiffin has winning Super Bowl on his resume (and credit for inventing Tampa 2 defense - I think that's what it's called). Jancek on the other hand has getting fired at UGA along as being on receiving ends of beatdowns by Dooley and Lane Kiffin on his resume.
Can you perhaps try to connect the dots and understand that unless you want to look silly those 2 resumes should not be even brought up in the same sentence/thread?

Also, remember that the only person who fires Monte Kiffin and gets away with it is Lane Kiffin

 

[utvolkyle06]

Guys were in position to make tackles. They didn't make tackles.

That is why the lack of speed issue is not everything. So you get there quicker just to miss the tackle sooner. Same difference.

 

[volfan411]

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Monte Kiffin has winning Super Bowl on his resume (and credit for inventing Tampa 2 defense - I think that's what it's called). Jancek on the other hand has getting fired at UGA along as being on receiving ends of beatdowns by Dooley and Lane Kiffin on his resume.
Can you perhaps try to connect the dots and understand that unless you want to look silly those 2 resumes should not be even brought up in the same sentence/thread?

Also, remember that the only person who fires Monte Kiffin and gets away with it is Lane Kiffin

I do not think it is fair to look at Jancek's resume and only point out one bad season as a co-DC either. He did a pretty good job at Cincy and recruited some pretty good athletes and we have some quality recruits coming in for the D that surely would not want to come play for a bad DC.

I agree that right now we are not seeing results on the field and ultimately that is what a coach is judged on but on the other hand he must be doing something right on the recruiting trail. I am refraining from judging him until next season once he has a class of his recruits in here.

 

[LLcoolDave]

What I saw on every qb keeper to the outside was the safety bit on the fake to the rb every time. If he stayed outside he would have been in position to make play. Just had to tell safety to stay out till he knew qb didn't have ball. It should have been obvious if I saw it.

What you saw is correct...safties bit hard and it blew my mind as they had no reason doing so..their job was to stick with the keep. Over and over, it was a blown assignment and that is squarly on coaching...and to not adjust to it says a lot.

 

[volfan411]

What you saw is correct...safties bit hard and it blew my mind as they had no reason doing so..their job was to stick with the keep. Over and over, it was a blown assignment and that is squarly on coaching...and to not adjust to it says a lot.

So just so I understand what you said the coaches were telling them to blow assignments?

 

[Wylo]

Jancek is fine for now.

How many of you wanted Monte Kiffin fired when McCluster burned us for 200+ on the ground?

Yeah, too bad it isn't just ONE guy this time. It is every team.

 

[jkleno]

Count, I remember seeing a thread about CJJ when he was announced as the DC. Someone put up the numbers of the defense that year and it wasn't bad. Also it was stated that they had injuries at key positions and were forced to play a lot of youngsters. If I remember correctly, the DC's at GA were Richt's scapegoats and got fired because that was Richt's only way to save his own butt.

With that said, I'm not at all defending Jancek, as our defense has left a lot to be desired. But I do believe he should not be judged after 10 games and will get another year (maybe more depending on future performace) to show what he can do.

Also, OP conveniently left out the rest of CJJ's qoute, "“When they run the quarterback, it’s an equalizer. We didn’t tackle well. He had obviously great athletic ability and speed. We got exposed. We have to live with it, but we also have a duty and obligation to correct it. That’s our job as coaches and that’s what we intend on doing.”

Sounds like he took responsibility and admitted there's a problem that has to be corrected.

Brilliant calculation. Admitted a problem and it has to be corrected. Is this a 12 step football program?

 

[TGVol]

on the other hand he must be doing something right on the recruiting trail.

He is doing something right on the recruiting trail - he is getting blown out so recruits think they will start at UT day one because our current players suck (so you are on the same page with recruits in terms of what you want to believe - that the problem is not our DC but our current players). The problem with that of course is that those are 17 year old kids who have tendency to believe what they want to hear (and the evidence for those above 17 is plenty to suggest he is the problem as much as the players - if not more, because Wilcox already has proven that a lot of these players were able to play more effectively under his scheme even when they were less experienced.

 

[volfan411]

He is doing something right on the recruiting trail - he is getting blown out so recruits think they will start at UT day one because our current players suck (so you are on the same page with recruits in terms of what you want to believe - that the problem is not our DC but our current players). The problem with that of course is that those are 17 year old kids who have tendency to believe what they want to hear (and the evidence for those above 17 is plenty to suggest he is the problem as much as the players - if not more, because Wilcox already has proven that a lot of these players were able to play more effectively under his scheme even when they were less experienced.

How many that start on this defense started for Wilcox?

I do not remember any that played other than Brewer and Sapp so Wilcox is irrelevant to this season.

 

[FEARinSEC]

Brilliant calculation. Admitted a problem and it has to be corrected. Is this a 12 step football program?

Most rational people understand you can't take a water pistol to a gun fight, which is exactly what the last couple of games has amounted to.

My point was more that OP wasn't exactly forthcoming in his post about CJJ and I'd rather hear a coach taking responsibility and vowing to get it corrected than to tuck tail or start laying blame.

Sorry I can't be as smart as you, of course I'm sure in your mind most can't. :salute:

 

[TGVol]

How many that start on this defense started for Wilcox?

I do not remember any that played other than Brewer and Sapp so Wilcox is irrelevant to this season.

Some played and most were recruited by Wilcox who knew what he was doing and certainly would not recruit non talented players (and as others pointed out in this thread those same players were recruited by other SEC schools as well which confirms they are talented - so the only conclusion to why we underperform on defense must be that they have been poorly coached by Sunseri, and now Jancek).

 

[jkleno]

Most rational people understand you can't take a water pistol to a gun fight, which is exactly what the last couple of games has amounted to.

My point was more that OP wasn't exactly forthcoming in his post about CJJ and I'd rather hear a coach taking responsibility and vowing to get it corrected than to tuck tail or start laying blame.

Sorry I can't be as smart as you, of course I'm sure in your mind most can't. :salute:

What I posted is what he said. I think CJJ will take care of business. I don't think year 2 will be as bad on D as this year, but it really will take 2-3 more years to field a quality D. We have some posters thinking we are going to be SEC champs in 2-3 years, naive. Our freshman recruits for 2014 on D look great on paper, but they will not be able compete with most of the O-Lines next year. It will change when they are sophomores and juniors. I hope CJJ wins enough games until then to keep his job. I like his chances.

 

[rockytop114]

Some played and most were recruited by Wilcox who knew what he was doing and certainly would not recruit non talented players (and as others pointed out in this thread those same players were recruited by other SEC schools as well which confirms they are talented - so the only conclusion to why we underperform on defense must be that they have been poorly coached by Sunseri, and now Jancek).

you live by the blitz you die by the blitz

 

[volfan411]

Some played and most were recruited by Wilcox who knew what he was doing and certainly would not recruit non talented players (and as others pointed out in this thread those same players were recruited by other SEC schools as well which confirms they are talented - so the only conclusion to why we underperform on defense must be that they have been poorly coached by Sunseri, and now Jancek).

So the same could be said for Jancek who recruited the players at Cincy and their defense is currently ranked 36th in the nation in total defense.

 

[landscapingvol]

Some played and most were recruited by Wilcox who knew what he was doing and certainly would not recruit non talented players (and as others pointed out in this thread those same players were recruited by other SEC schools as well which confirms they are talented - so the only conclusion to why we underperform on defense must be that they have been poorly coached by Sunseri, and now Jancek).

Wilcox was a horrendous recruiter and Todd Grantham isn't exactly lighting it up at UGA. This defense does not have a lot of talent and the offers most had were second tier SEC teams not the ones you want to beat for talent.

 

[volfan411]

Some played and most were recruited by Wilcox who knew what he was doing and certainly would not recruit non talented players (and as others pointed out in this thread those same players were recruited by other SEC schools as well which confirms they are talented - so the only conclusion to why we underperform on defense must be that they have been poorly coached by Sunseri, and now Jancek).

To answer your question about other SEC schools recruiting our players you are right the schools that are getting beat just like we get beat recruited them.

Answer this question how many starters on our defense held offers form either Alabama, Florida or LSU.

 

[volfan411]

Wilcox was a horrendous recruiter and Todd Grantham isn't exactly lighting it up at UGA. This defense does not have a lot of talent and the offers most had were second tier SEC teams not the ones you want to beat for talent.

I think Wilcox did a good job of recruiting players for his system which was bend but do not break and a lot of zone coverages. Jancek is trying to run a man to man defense that puts pressure on the QB and we do not have the players for that style of play.

I think you could say he should adjust his style to what he has on the roster if you wanted to fault him for something.

 

[TGVol]

I think you could say he should adjust his style to what he has on the roster if you wanted to fault him for something.

???? OF COURSE HE SHOULD ADJUST HIS STYLE. Sunseri refused and it cost him and Dooley their jobs so why should CBJ want to follow that mistake and let his DC repeat the exact same experiment (and it's already clear with same results on the field as Sunseri)?

 

[soda23]

Most rational people understand you can't take a water pistol to a gun fight, which is exactly what the last couple of games has amounted to.

My point was more that OP wasn't exactly forthcoming in his post about CJJ and I'd rather hear a coach taking responsibility and vowing to get it corrected than to tuck tail or start laying blame.

Sorry I can't be as smart as you, of course I'm sure in your mind most can't. :salute:

Well me too, but I would prefer he do it at halftime

 

[VolFootballlover]

Who hasn't he recruited. His defense at Cincy last season was ranked 34th and it is ranked 36th this year with his players and all we have heard is he failed at Georgia with good talent. Someone had to recruit it so you tell me who did.


Obviously with all the talented defensive players we have committed they would not to play for a coach who cannot coach unless he is a good recruiter.

names? not reason's. Thigpen is the reason!

 

[rlstone11]

Good point. So if the coaches got the players into the correct position and the players didn't tackle, what do we need to do?

Whats the penalty for coaches sticking a leg out and tripping the guys running free down the sideline? If not an automatic score we should've tried that. Nothing else was stopping them! LOL:crazy:

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I wish the whole greatest staff in America was never said. Because that is not even remotely true.

 

[volfan411]

names? not reason's. Thigpen is the reason!

I can play that game Thompson was the reason Wilcox had talent.

You have steered the conversation away from where it started you stated Wilcox did more with this defense than Jancek has and that is false. Half these players did not start or play for Wilcox.