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UTodd01 said:
LOL @ the budget being 1.7 million...

Even if your number is true (and it's not) a budget is called a budget for a reason.

I assume you handle finances at home, no? You take money out, and put it where you need it. Rinse and repeat as needed. Nothing a budget hearing can't handle if it were needed. And again - it's not.

LMFAO @ winning with Tony Dungy's players.

You do realize a GM builds NFL teams? Not the ****ing head coach. Jesus.

By your standards Gruden beat the team he BUILT to win the Superbowl.

Never seen such a clueless poster.
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Seriously? I realize a few other people have already jumped on you about this, but it is so exceptionally stupid that I feel the need to jump in as well. By the way, you shouldn't ever read any of my posts. Your head may explode.
 
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Since it's a well-known fact that I despise Jon Gruden (I'm not the only one on here), and would rather be kicked in the sack on an hourly basis by a Clydesdale than have that piece of garbage prowling (and yes, scowling, seems to be a "trademark" of his) the sidelines at Neyland, lemme just go ahead and repost this yet again and see how many of you are STILL blinded by a (*expletive deleted*) Super Bowl ring.


And another thing: Here's what the Glazers paid for Gruden.2002 and 2003 1st round draft picks2002 and 2004 2nd round draft picks$8 millionHell of an investment for one Super Bowl, amiright?? Yet, I get questioned on how Gruden gutted the Buccaneers. Wait, no, this can be blamed on the Glazer family (owners of the Buccaneers). SO, lemme do this, too. These are the statistics I was talking about before.TB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC SouthTB 2003 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC SouthTB 2004 5 11 0 .312 4th in NFC SouthTB 2005 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC SouthTB 2006 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC SouthTB 2007 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC SouthTB 2008 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC SouthTB Total 57 55 0 .509So, you're willing to bet the farm on a coach that's two games over .500 in his last job?? Mmkay, let's dig a little deeper, shall we?? Take a peek at this, with special emphasis on the years 2002-2008.Tampa Bay Buccaneers Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.comI think my point is clear. Those are rankings out of 32 teams. The main thing that saved Gruden and made him look as good as he did for so long was Monte Kiffin's defense. Wait, wait, wait, I hear someone in the back of the class saying "but Gruden was the head coach, he controlled the defense as well". Not true. Gruden claims to be an "offensive genius", and Monte Kiffin was arguably the best DC in the NFL during that time. Not exactly someone you tell "hey, we're gonna do this my way". Gruden controlled the offense, Kiffin the defense.I hope that with these FACTS, I've more than proved my point. Jon Gruden needs to stay as far away as possible from the University of Tennessee.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
Since it's a well-known fact that I despise Jon Gruden (I'm not the only one on here), and would rather be kicked in the sack on an hourly basis by a Clydesdale than have that piece of garbage prowling (and yes, scowling, seems to be a "trademark" of his) the sidelines at Neyland, lemme just go ahead and repost this yet again and see how many of you are STILL blinded by a (*expletive deleted*) Super Bowl ring.


And another thing: Here's what the Glazers paid for Gruden.2002 and 2003 1st round draft picks2002 and 2004 2nd round draft picks$8 millionHell of an investment for one Super Bowl, amiright?? Yet, I get questioned on how Gruden gutted the Buccaneers. Wait, no, this can be blamed on the Glazer family (owners of the Buccaneers). SO, lemme do this, too. These are the statistics I was talking about before.TB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC SouthTB 2003 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC SouthTB 2004 5 11 0 .312 4th in NFC SouthTB 2005 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC SouthTB 2006 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC SouthTB 2007 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC SouthTB 2008 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC SouthTB Total 57 55 0 .509So, you're willing to bet the farm on a coach that's two games over .500 in his last job?? Mmkay, let's dig a little deeper, shall we?? Take a peek at this, with special emphasis on the years 2002-2008.Tampa Bay Buccaneers Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.comI think my point is clear. Those are rankings out of 32 teams. The main thing that saved Gruden and made him look as good as he did for so long was Monte Kiffin's defense. Wait, wait, wait, I hear someone in the back of the class saying "but Gruden was the head coach, he controlled the defense as well". Not true. Gruden claims to be an "offensive genius", and Monte Kiffin was arguably the best DC in the NFL during that time. Not exactly someone you tell "hey, we're gonna do this my way". Gruden controlled the offense, Kiffin the defense.I hope that with these FACTS, I've more than proved my point. Jon Gruden needs to stay as far away as possible from the University of Tennessee.
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I'm sure you wrote this with your 2002 Super Bowl Champions T-Shirt Tampa Bay Bucs shirt on.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Seriously? I realize a few other people have already jumped on you about this, but it is so exceptionally stupid that I feel the need to jump in as well. By the way, you shouldn't ever read any of my posts. Your head may explode.
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Seriously. Some people take this way too seriously.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Believe me, Even if it is a pipe dream...If Gruden was somehow hired by UT this fan base across the country would go completely and totally INSANE!....UT could pay his entire contract in a couple of years with the income they would get from merchandise sells alone...He would be extremely popular...With his personality his TV show would be the highest ranked show for that time slot in the state of Tennessee...He would cost a bundle but if you crunch the numbers it would appear to be a win win situation for both parties.
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Let's not forget all the coverage UT would get since Jon Gruden is ESPN's media darling.
 
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Since it's a well-known fact that I despise Jon Gruden (I'm not the only one on here), and would rather be kicked in the sack on an hourly basis by a Clydesdale than have that piece of garbage prowling (and yes, scowling, seems to be a "trademark" of his) the sidelines at Neyland, lemme just go ahead and repost this yet again and see how many of you are STILL blinded by a (*expletive deleted*) Super Bowl ring.


Here's what the Glazers paid for Gruden.

2002 and 2003 1st round draft picks
2002 and 2004 2nd round draft picks
$8 million

Hell of an investment for one Super Bowl, amiright?? Yet, I get questioned on how Gruden gutted the Buccaneers. Wait, no, this can be blamed on the Glazer family (owners of the Buccaneers). SO, lemme do this, too. These are the statistics I was talking about before.

TB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC South
TB 2003 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC South
TB 2004 5 11 0 .312 4th in NFC South
TB 2005 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC South
TB 2006 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC South
TB 2007 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC South
TB 2008 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC South
TB Total 57 55 0 .509

So, you're willing to bet the farm on a coach that's two games over .500 in his last job?? Mmkay, let's dig a little deeper, shall we?? Take a peek at this, with special emphasis on the years 2002-2008.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com

I think my point is clear. Those are rankings out of 32 teams. The main thing that saved Gruden and made him look as good as he did for so long was Monte Kiffin's defense. Wait, wait, wait, I hear someone in the back of the class saying "but Gruden was the head coach, he controlled the defense as well". Not true. Gruden claims to be an "offensive genius", and Monte Kiffin was arguably the best DC in the NFL during that time. Not exactly someone you tell "hey, we're gonna do this my way". Gruden controlled the offense, Kiffin the defense.


I hope that with these FACTS, I've more than proved my point. Jon Gruden needs to stay as far away as possible from the University of Tennessee. Hire the head coach at Fayetteville HS instead (random school because I lived in Fayetteville when I was a kid).
 
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zjcvols said:
I'm sure you wrote this with your 2002 Super Bowl Champions T-Shirt Tampa Bay Bucs shirt on.
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Tampa has so many Super Bowl titles , the one they won in 2002 basically means nothing. I mean , they are at the top when you talk about success in the NFL. When you think about the Lombardi Trophy , you think Tampa Bay Bucs. :ermm:
 
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DeusExMachina said:
Since it's a well-known fact that I despise Jon Gruden (I'm not the only one on here), and would rather be kicked in the sack on an hourly basis by a Clydesdale than have that piece of garbage prowling (and yes, scowling, seems to be a "trademark" of his) the sidelines at Neyland, lemme just go ahead and repost this yet again and see how many of you are STILL blinded by a (*expletive deleted*) Super Bowl ring.


And another thing: Here's what the Glazers paid for Gruden.2002 and 2003 1st round draft picks2002 and 2004 2nd round draft picks$8 millionHell of an investment for one Super Bowl, amiright?? Yet, I get questioned on how Gruden gutted the Buccaneers. Wait, no, this can be blamed on the Glazer family (owners of the Buccaneers). SO, lemme do this, too. These are the statistics I was talking about before.TB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC SouthTB 2003 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC SouthTB 2004 5 11 0 .312 4th in NFC SouthTB 2005 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC SouthTB 2006 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC SouthTB 2007 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC SouthTB 2008 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC SouthTB Total 57 55 0 .509So, you're willing to bet the farm on a coach that's two games over .500 in his last job?? Mmkay, let's dig a little deeper, shall we?? Take a peek at this, with special emphasis on the years 2002-2008.Tampa Bay Buccaneers Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.comI think my point is clear. Those are rankings out of 32 teams. The main thing that saved Gruden and made him look as good as he did for so long was Monte Kiffin's defense. Wait, wait, wait, I hear someone in the back of the class saying "but Gruden was the head coach, he controlled the defense as well". Not true. Gruden claims to be an "offensive genius", and Monte Kiffin was arguably the best DC in the NFL during that time. Not exactly someone you tell "hey, we're gonna do this my way". Gruden controlled the offense, Kiffin the defense.I hope that with these FACTS, I've more than proved my point. Jon Gruden needs to stay as far away as possible from the University of Tennessee.
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Ok genius, here are some stats for ya

Steve Spurrier NFL record: 12-20
Nick Saban NFL record: 15-17
Pete Carroll NFL record: 49-52

Steve Spurrier NCAA record: 200-75-2
Nick Saban NCAA record: 149-54-1
Pete Carroll NCAA record: 89-21

3 of the most dominant coaches in college football couldn't even crack .500 in the NFL, let alone win a superbowl against a team that they resurrected. You sir, are an idiot.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
Since it's a well-known fact that I despise Jon Gruden (I'm not the only one on here), and would rather be kicked in the sack on an hourly basis by a Clydesdale than have that piece of garbage prowling (and yes, scowling, seems to be a "trademark" of his) the sidelines at Neyland, lemme just go ahead and repost this yet again and see how many of you are STILL blinded by a (*expletive deleted*) Super Bowl ring.


Here's what the Glazers paid for Gruden.

2002 and 2003 1st round draft picks
2002 and 2004 2nd round draft picks
$8 million

Hell of an investment for one Super Bowl, amiright?? Yet, I get questioned on how Gruden gutted the Buccaneers. Wait, no, this can be blamed on the Glazer family (owners of the Buccaneers). SO, lemme do this, too. These are the statistics I was talking about before.

TB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC South
TB 2003 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC South
TB 2004 5 11 0 .312 4th in NFC South
TB 2005 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC South
TB 2006 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC South
TB 2007 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC South
TB 2008 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC South
TB Total 57 55 0 .509

So, you're willing to bet the farm on a coach that's two games over .500 in his last job?? Mmkay, let's dig a little deeper, shall we?? Take a peek at this, with special emphasis on the years 2002-2008.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com

I think my point is clear. Those are rankings out of 32 teams. The main thing that saved Gruden and made him look as good as he did for so long was Monte Kiffin's defense. Wait, wait, wait, I hear someone in the back of the class saying "but Gruden was the head coach, he controlled the defense as well". Not true. Gruden claims to be an "offensive genius", and Monte Kiffin was arguably the best DC in the NFL during that time. Not exactly someone you tell "hey, we're gonna do this my way". Gruden controlled the offense, Kiffin the defense.


I hope that with these FACTS, I've more than proved my point. Jon Gruden needs to stay as far away as possible from the University of Tennessee. Hire the head coach at Fayetteville HS instead (random school because I lived in Fayetteville when I was a kid).
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And what did Glazer say the problem was when they fired Dungy with a winning record? Inconsistent play on the offense. Who fixed that and finally got you to a Super Bowl for the first time ever?
 
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Not like Gruden was 9-3 with Jeff Garcia AND BRIAN GRIESE at QB before Kiffin bolted to UT and had one foot out the door.

Oh and he made the playoffs in 2007 too.
 
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Vol2424 said:
And what did Glazer say the problem was when they fired Dungy with a winning record? Inconsistent play on the offense. Who fixed that and finally got you to a Super Bowl for the first time ever?
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I didn't think i would meet someone who would make a worse AD than hammy, but this dude (machina) takes the cake :crazy:
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Believe me, Even if it is a pipe dream...If Gruden was somehow hired by UT this fan base across the country would go completely and totally INSANE!....UT could pay his entire contract in a couple of years with the income they would get from merchandise sells alone...He would be extremely popular...With his personality his TV show would be the highest ranked show for that time slot in the state of Tennessee...He would cost a bundle
but if you crunch the numbers it would
appear to be a win win situation for both
parties.
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Could you imagine the QB's that would line up to play for this guy. We would have a monopoly on blue chip QB's.
 
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Blackmarket803 said:
Ok genius, here are some stats for ya

Steve Spurrier NFL record: 12-20
Nick Saban NFL record: 15-17
Pete Carroll NFL record: 49-52

Steve Spurrier NCAA record: 200-75-2
Nick Saban NCAA record: 149-54-1
Pete Carroll NCAA record: 89-21

3 of the most dominant coaches in college football couldn't even crack .500 in the NFL, let alone win a superbowl against a team that they resurrected. You sir, are an idiot.
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Gruden has 11 more wins in the NFL than Carroll did at SC. Like it or not Gruden is the best coach Tampa has ever had. Probably the best they will ever have.

No he doesn't have the greatest record ever (100-85) but look at the teams he coached. The Raiders have really done well through the years. Tons of success since he left. :ermm:

And Tampa. Enough said. Yeah they won 9 in his last year. I guess they were happy with the 3 wins they had the following one without him.

Somebody let me know when these 2 NFL teams win anything again.
 
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Blackmarket803 said:
Ok genius, here are some stats for ya

Steve Spurrier NFL record: 12-20
Nick Saban NFL record: 15-17
Pete Carroll NFL record: 49-52

Steve Spurrier NCAA record: 200-75-2
Nick Saban NCAA record: 149-54-1
Pete Carroll NCAA record: 89-21

3 of the most dominant coaches in college football couldn't even crack .500 in the NFL, let alone win a superbowl against a team that they resurrected. You sir, are an idiot.
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And you, sir, may kiss where I defecate from. Tell ya what, on the day that Gru-bage is named HFC at UT.....I'll start the "Fire Gruden" thread. You don't have to post in it right away, but you'll make it in there eventually. Mark my words.

And as for your comment about me making a bad AD....never said I was trying to be the AD. I'm simply trying to get y'all to take your blinders off. Mike Ditka's got a SB ring. Bill Cowher has a SB ring. Tony Dungy has a SB ring. ALL of these are LIGHT YEARS better than Gruden has EVER been.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
And you, sir, may kiss where I defecate from. Tell ya what, on the day that Gru-bage is named HFC at UT.....I'll start the "Fire Gruden" thread. You don't have to post in it right away, but you'll make it in there eventually. Mark my words.

And as for your comment about me making a bad AD....never said I was trying to be the AD. I'm simply trying to get y'all to take your blinders off. Mike Ditka's got a SB ring. Bill Cowher has a SB ring. Tony Dungy has a SB ring. ALL of these are LIGHT YEARS better than Gruden has EVER been.
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You probably think Jim Caldwell is better than Gruden too.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
And you, sir, may kiss where I defecate from. Tell ya what, on the day that Gru-bage is named HFC at UT.....I'll start the "Fire Gruden" thread. You don't have to post in it right away, but you'll make it in there eventually. Mark my words.

And as for your comment about me making a bad AD....never said I was trying to be the AD. I'm simply trying to get y'all to take your blinders off. Mike Ditka's got a SB ring. Bill Cowher has a SB ring. Tony Dungy has a SB ring. ALL of these are LIGHT YEARS better than Gruden has EVER been.
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Why would he kiss you on the mouth? Sounds homo to me. Just saying....

Mark you words? When they are trash to begin with? He was the only coach in the modern era who built the Raiders into a Super Bowl Caliber team...despite Al Davis....the biggest coaching impediment of all time. Because of that success, he was hired to help Tampa take the next step.

Doesn't matter who drafted all that talent. He was hired to coach them and get them over the hump. He did just that. Winning a SB is damn hard...so hard there are plenty of teams in the NFL that have never done it. The Titans/Oilers are one of them.

The year he was fired, the team was actually playoff bound. Can't recall if they made it to the wild card round and got knocked out or they got knocked out of the playoffs on the last game of the regular season. Nevertheless, his only problem was the QB position. He mistakenly thought he could take a backup caliber QB coach him up and win with him (ala Rich Gannon).

He implies as much in many of his ESPN pre-draft videos, where he sits down and evaluates the tape with the best QB prospects. Had Tampa invested in a marquee QB, Gruden would still be coaching there today, and would probably have another ring on his finger to show for it.
 
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I got a feeling though Hart will not give Gruden a glance and go grab another coach off of Sabans staff and expect Saban results. I hope I'm wrong because I sure don't want Smart or any other Sabans clones.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Why would he kiss you on the mouth? Sounds homo to me. Just saying....

Mark you words? When they are trash to begin with? He was the only coach in the modern era who built the Raiders into a Super Bowl Caliber team...despite Al Davis....the biggest coaching impediment of all time. Because of that success, he was hired to help Tampa take the next step.

Doesn't matter who drafted all that talent. He was hired to coach them and get them over the hump. He did just that. Winning a SB is damn hard...so hard there are plenty of teams in the NFL that have never done it. The Titans/Oilers are one of them.

The year he was fired, the team was actually playoff bound. Can't recall if they made it to the wild card round and got knocked out or they got knocked out of the playoffs on the last game of the regular season. Nevertheless, his only problem was the QB position. He mistakenly thought he could take a backup caliber QB coach him up and win with him (ala Rich Gannon).

He implies as much in many of his ESPN pre-draft videos, where he sits down and evaluates the tape with the best QB prospects. Had Tampa invested in a marquee QB, Gruden would still be coaching there today, and would probably have another ring on his finger to show for it.
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Way to contradict yourself!!! First you say "Gruden built the Raiders despite Davis", then "if the Glazers had invested in a marquee QB". Can't have it both ways.....which one do you want to go with, does the HC build the team, or does the GM??
 
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