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#901
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Wylo said:
Just a question:

Why do you hate Jon Gruden so much?
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I'm a Buccaneers fan. To me, Jon Gruden is Tampa's Lane Kiffin, without the whole leaving after one season thing. Came in with all these promises and s**t, delivered jack s**t. Gruden drew his agony out over a longer period of time.

VOLorNuttin said:
How in the hell is that a contradiction, genius? He won with Rich Gannon, despite Al Davis. He thought he could do that again (make a good QB out of someone else's backup). Sort of did with Johnson. He wasn't a marquee QB, either. Doesn't mean he can't coach, just that in the case of his later days at Tampa, he didn't have enough talent at QB to get them back to the SB.
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Contradiction came when you said Gruden built the Raiders (head coach building the team), then came right back and blamed the Glazers and Rick McKay for him sucking in Tampa (implying that the coach had no say in things). Either the coach has control over his players, or the GM and owners do. Which is it??

Blackmarket803 said:
Haha, i give you facts about successful college coaches and their struggles in the NFL and you tell me to kiss your ass, you sure put up a strong argument...
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Blackmarket803 said:
You, sir, are an idiot
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Remember this?? My statement stands. Auto-fornicate with a shotgun.

LotteryPick said:
I don't understand why you keep using the NFL (even though he had moderate success there) to predict how good of a college coach Gruden would be. It's been proven that coaches that did not succeed in the NFL have been VERY good in college. I really don't get where you're coming from.
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I don't want Lane Kiffin 2.0 in Knoxville. I don't want a sh**ty offense laden with penalties (because of how "complex" Gruden's offense is), where every play is 3-yard dip-dunk bulls**t. You will NEVER convince me that Gruden doesn't owe 75-90% of his "success" in Tampa to Monte Kiffin's defense.

Doyle Hargraves said:
This is the burning question that needs answered.
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I don't have an issue with you, DH. Matter of fact, you seem to be good people on here, so I'll just say that I answered it above.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
I'm a Buccaneers fan. To me, Jon Gruden is Tampa's Lane Kiffin, without the whole leaving after one season thing. Came in with all these promises and s**t, delivered jack s**t. Gruden drew his agony out over a longer period of time.



Contradiction came when you said Gruden built the Raiders (head coach building the team), then came right back and blamed the Glazers and Rick McKay for him sucking in Tampa (implying that the coach had no say in things). Either the coach has control over his players, or the GM and owners do. Which is it??





Remember this?? My statement stands. Auto-fornicate with a shotgun.



I don't want Lane Kiffin 2.0 in Knoxville. I don't want a sh**ty offense laden with penalties (because of how "complex" Gruden's offense is), where every play is 3-yard dip-dunk bulls**t. You will NEVER convince me that Gruden doesn't owe 75-90% of his "success" in Tampa to Monte Kiffin's defense.



I don't have an issue with you, DH. Matter of fact, you seem to be good people on here, so I'll just say that I answered it above.
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Yeah, i remember, and you still haven't given a serious response to my comments.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
I'm a Buccaneers fan. To me, Jon Gruden is Tampa's Lane Kiffin, without the whole leaving after one season thing. Came in with all these promises and s**t, delivered jack s**t. Gruden drew his agony out over a longer period of time.
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So the only Super Bowl victory in Tampa history is jack s**t? Riiiiiiiiiiight.
 
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No Gruden. You saw what happened last time we hired an NFL coach. No. NFL-style offenses don't work in college. They especially don't work in the SEC. No. We need someone who will inhibit a run-first offense, i.e. UF, Bama, LSU, etc. Pro-style offenses DO NOT WORK in the SEC. Period.
 
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utfan72408 said:
No Gruden. You saw what happened last time we hired an NFL coach. No. NFL-style offenses don't work in college. They especially don't work in the SEC. No. We need someone who will inhibit a run-first offense, i.e. UF, Bama, LSU, etc. Pro-style offenses DO NOT WORK in the SEC. Period.
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Sarcasm meter is detecting more ignorance than sarcasm here. Tell me you are kidding.
 
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chavisut said:
Believe.
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I hope it happens if things continue to go like this. Somebody did a drive by post saying that big things are going on behind the scenes then left. I don't know if he actually knew anything. Probably not.
 
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utfan72408 said:
No Gruden. You saw what happened last time we hired an NFL coach. No. NFL-style offenses don't work in college. They especially don't work in the SEC. No. We need someone who will inhibit a run-first offense, i.e. UF, Bama, LSU, etc. Pro-style offenses DO NOT WORK in the SEC. Period.
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Those are pro style offenses... :crazy:

"You saw what happened the last time we hired an NFL coach", yeah, Gruden and Kiffin are mirror images of each other...
 
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utfan72408 said:
No Gruden. You saw what happened last time we hired an NFL coach. No. NFL-style offenses don't work in college. They especially don't work in the SEC. No. We need someone who will inhibit a run-first offense, i.e. UF, Bama, LSU, etc. Pro-style offenses DO NOT WORK in the SEC. Period.
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Put the pipe down and step away.
 
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utfan72408 said:
No Gruden. You saw what happened last time we hired an NFL coach. No. NFL-style offenses don't work in college. They especially don't work in the SEC. No. We need someone who will inhibit a run-first offense, i.e. UF, Bama, LSU, etc. Pro-style offenses DO NOT WORK in the SEC. Period.
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I just got dumber reading your post. We already have a coach who "inhibits" a run first offense. WE WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP RUNNING A PRO STYLE OFFENSE!!!!!!

Even my wife understands Spider 3 Y Banana after watching Gruden's show. ****ing pay him whatever he wants already.
 
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Gruden has repeatedly turned down the Tennessee Job. After Fulmer and Kiffen... What makes anyone think "After Dooley" he would be interested.... Com'on guys we gotta wake up. The whole reason why Tennessee is in its current shape is the Former AD Mike Hamilton... This man fired a Hall of Fame coach for having 2 bad seasons, hired a con-artist and then finished off with hiring a very unqualified coach. I really like Dooley but he needs a while to grow as a major college head coach, do we have the "time" to give him? I say no.. It all comes down to $$ on who the next coach could be.
 
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When Fulmer was fired, Gruden was still coaching the Bucs. When Kiffin left, most coaches didn't want to dive into our mess. It's a better situation now; that doesn't mean we'll get him, but the timing's better.
 
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Gruden shows more interest in his players and he actually MOTIVATES them. I wonder what MOTIVATION means to Coach Dooley.
 
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Blackmarket803 said:
Maybe Gruden doesn't want to go to the Browns, maybe he wants to go to a college, maybe he finds the aspect of recruiting and being in control of his own roster appealing, maybe he likes the opportunity to coach up 18-22 yr old kids that aren't getting paid and have passion for their team, maybe he feels he can be more successful in college and have better job security.

I think Gruden could relate to kids that age really well, it could translate into getting stud recruits and the players buying in to his system and playing their hearts out for him.
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I hope he does because after that S*** show of a game I watched tonight against a Mac school we need DD out and someone like Gruden in ASAP.
 
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