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utmba93 said:
Having Hamilton as an AD was a huge liability for the search, beyond the crazy time constraint he placed on it. Specifically, whoever took the job would be reporting to the guy who made such an ugly affair out of the Fulmer firing (some class and humility was due to CPF).

Dooley has helped the program (or the program is better now than it was then)...but it's hard to know how much of it was Dooley and how much of it was simply time passing.

For example, I can't say he helped more than the most obvious alternative at the time (Kippy as interim), but I do know that more time was needed, and a more deliberate process was warranted. 'Haste makes waste' is the headlines for that hiring process--and that was exactly how it felt to me when it happened.

Yet, I do sense that you and I both want what's right for the football program. I suspect you just had more faith in CDD than I could muster. That happens, but there's enough evidence now (over after 4 more games if you must) that we should all agree that it's time to move on.
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I didn't have more faith in CDD than you did, unless you expected him to burn the place down. Burning the place down, IMO, would mean that we'd still be well shy of 85 scholarship players, we'd be lacking talent everywhere, or we'd have had an 8-loss season, or some combination of those things.

The past 2+ seasons are on par with what I expected, except for the damn KY game. You're right that some of it probably was simply a case of time passing.

I agree that we both want what's best. I will be really disappointed if the next coach isn't a great one.
 
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zjcvols said:
This too. And that's a very odd stretch of teams you like. Not hating, just sayin.
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NFL: always been a Bears fan; I like the Jaguars, because I live in Jacksonville; I like the Broncos, just because PM is there.

MLB: always been a Mets fan; starting liking the Rays when I moved to Gainesville in 2006. They're the closest team, they're in the other league, and they compete against the Yanks and Red Sox.

The only parts that could be construed as "odd" are the Mets and Bears, because I have never lived in either city. But, I've been a fan of both since the '80s.

I also like the Knicks. I love NY. But, I've always like those Bears.

Later in the Fall, my 3 will be the Bears, Jaguars, and Broncos.

Thanks for sayin' and not hating. :hi:
 
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I don't know who said it, but, FWIW, Hart was not at Bama when Saban was hired. He was still at FSU. That said, he did witness first-hand what Saban meant to Bama's football program and AD, and it's not like he was oblivious to how Bama was doing before Saban was hired.

I have heard fans of our rivals say that our fans have unreasonable expectations for our program going forward. Well, that is exactly what people said about Bama pre-Saban.

Just so no one jumps on my post the wrong way, I am not advocating a run at Saban. I am pushing for us to spend someone else's money to make a big-splash hire.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
The suggestion that Hart has written the script with firing Dooley, hiring an interim, and signing an already interested and contacted Gruden is freaking hilarious.
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Probably so. But not nearly as hilarious as the ridiculous assertion that Dooley is ever going to be a successful SEC head coach.
 
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zjcvols said:
I said with the right coach.

UT can't compete for a crown right now, but pieces are there. If the new coach can recruit well, then he can compete for an SEC title in 3-4 years.
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You give Gruden, Gary Patterson, or Jim Tressell this team/roster, and they'll start winning with it year 1.
 
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What about this record says sustained success?

Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
OAK 1998 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC West - - - -
OAK 1999 8 8 0 .500 4th in AFC West - - - -
OAK 2000 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Championship Game.
OAK 2001 10 6 0 .625 1st in AFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Divisional Game.
OAK Total 38 26 0 .594 2 2 .500
TB 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC South 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXXVII Champions
TB 2003 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC South - - - -
TB 2004 5 11 0 .312 4th in NFC South - - - -
TB 2005 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC South 0 1 .000 Lost to Washington Redskins in NFC Wild-Card Game.
TB 2006 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC South - - - -
TB 2007 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC South 0 1 .000 Lost to New York Giants in NFC Wild-Card Game.
TB 2008 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC South - - - -
TB Total 57 55 0 .509 3 2 .600
Total[16] 95 81 0 .540 5 4 .556
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ukvols said:
I don't know who said it, but, FWIW, Hart was not at Bama when Saban was hired. He was still at FSU. That said, he did witness first-hand what Saban meant to Bama's football program and AD, and it's not like he was oblivious to how Bama was doing before Saban was hired.

I have heard fans of our rivals say that our fans have unreasonable expectations for our program going forward. Well, that is exactly what people said about Bama pre-Saban.

Just so no one jumps on my post the wrong way, I am not advocating a run at Saban. I am pushing for us to spend someone else's money to make a big-splash hire.
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I said it.....and you're right. But he did see firsthand the swing that hire caused at Alabubba. He knows what is at stake should we continue our relentless pursuit of continual underachievement. $$$
 
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Patterson- is not leaving TCU
Gruden- there is no evidence he can recruit other than speculation but there is hard evidence he can win with other coaches players than lose once their gone.
Tressell- would leave this program in NCAA dog house.
 
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GmanTN said:
Patterson- is not leaving TCU
Gruden- there is no evidence he can recruit other than speculation but there is hard evidence he can win with other coaches players than lose once their gone.
Tressell- would leave this program in NCAA dog house.
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You've convinced.....wait, nevermind.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Like that huh? Feel free to use it....what's mine is yours.
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It was good. I'll have to pull that one out sometime.

I really like Dooley. If winning football games was about passion for the tradition of UT, wearing orange pants, and starting a VFL program he'd be well on his way. Too bad he sucks at actually winning football games.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
It was good. I'll have to pull that one out sometime.

I really like Dooley. If winning football games was about passion for the tradition of UT, wearing orange pants, and starting a VFL program he'd be well on his way. Too bad he sucks at actually winning football games.
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I feel exactly the same way. He was exactly what the Dr. ordered when we hired him. He's done a remarkably good job at instilling pride in Tennessee. He loves it here.....I believe that. If all we needed right now was a caretaker, he'd be my guy.

I defended Dooley consistently and strongly until the Florida game. I can no longer do it.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I feel exactly the same way. He was exactly what the Dr. ordered when we hired him. He's done a remarkably good job at instilling pride in Tennessee. He loves it here.....I believe that. If all we needed right now was a caretaker, he'd be my guy.

I defended Dooley consistently and strongly until the Florida game. I can no longer do it.
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It was the KY game last year for me. Up until then I was willing to ride it out but to lose that game the way they did was ridiculous.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
It was the KY game last year for me. Up until then I was willing to ride it out but to lose that game the way they did was ridiculous.
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Me too.....I have 7 cousins who graduated from UK. All of my mothers family is from Lexington and N. Kentucky. You're not telling me anything.

I was willing to give him this season based upon recruiting and the talent he would have at his disposal finally. I felt like this was truly his team. But we have the same problems, and IMO it all stems from coaching.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Outside of a small handful of coaches, its a ridiculous assertion to guarantee that any coach will be successful in the SEC.
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True.....but all things being equal who would you put your money on, a middle if the pack WAC coach, or a Super Bowl winning former NFL coach?
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I feel exactly the same way. He was exactly what the Dr. ordered when we hired him. He's done a remarkably good job at instilling pride in Tennessee. He loves it here.....I believe that. If all we needed right now was a caretaker, he'd be my guy.

I defended Dooley consistently and strongly until the Florida game. I can no longer do it.
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exactly how i feel
 
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Entertainment Weekly is reporting at this hour that Coach John Gruden has been seen consuming Orange frozen yogurt from a chocolate covered waffle cone, buying tickets to Wonderworks in Pigeon forge with Leonard Little and Dewey Warren. Little was reportedly wearing a 3-wolf Moon T-shirt with no sleeves.

He apparently wants it.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
True.....but all things being equal who would you put your money on, a middle if the pack WAC coach, or a Super Bowl winning former NFL coach?
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Of course, that's a rhetorical question.

Problem is that we are at 3-1 in the 3rd year, and not far off from the plan that Hart, DD and crew put together and agreed upon, regardless of what you, I or anyone thinks about Dooley.

All this talk about wheels in motion, Gruden this, buyout paid for, etc, etc, is just message board stuff. We have 19 yr olds on here breaking news about AD stuff and making guarantees. It's a joke right now.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Of course, that's a rhetorical question.

Problem is that we are at 3-1 in the 3rd year, and not far off from the plan that Hart, DD and crew put together and agreed upon, regardless of what you, I or anyone thinks about Dooley.

All this talk about wheels in motion, Gruden this, buyout paid for, etc, etc, is just message board stuff. We have 19 yr olds on here breaking news about AD stuff and making guarantees. It's a joke right now.
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I'm 42.

3-1, with a guarantee to be behind the count at the end of October. Nobody that seen this team this year thinks otherwise. Dooley has 6 wins built in this year, and even that is dubious at this point.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Of course, that's a rhetorical question.

Problem is that we are at 3-1 in the 3rd year, and not far off from the plan that Hart, DD and crew put together and agreed upon, regardless of what you, I or anyone thinks about Dooley.

All this talk about wheels in motion, Gruden this, buyout paid for, etc, etc, is just message board stuff. We have 19 yr olds on here breaking news about AD stuff and making guarantees. It's a joke right now.
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We were 3-1 last year at this time as well.
 
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