Jones biggest mistake was

#77
#77
92volalum said:
X100..

N for not pulling him after TO num 2.. No way u allow him another chance n that game.

Plus that game showed me butch isn't anything special n then candy happened n bad taste about coach n staff....

So n my mind rec is the only thing they r doing at a high level at this point..

N no way he gets more than 3 years to get us to 10 or 11 wins.. If he is at 8 wins in yr 3 then he is john majors 2.0
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I think some of the keys on your keyboard aren't working.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
The question is if our fans will even allow him enough time to get things turned around.
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Of course the fans will allow time. I don't get some peoples line of thinking when it comes to the HC. Some people are saying this is a 5 year project and that is absolute nonsense. The fans wanna see positive results (not overnight) and to see the program headed in the right direction. This 5 year crap with some of you is b.s. 3 years is enough time to get this thing turned around and to have us competing for the East, especially with how recruiting is going. No excuses for s****ing the bed in year 3. We'll see how it goes. I think CBJ will get us there, if not, it's time to start a new coaching search.
 
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92volalum said:
X100..

N for not pulling him after TO num 2.. No way u allow him another chance n that game.

Plus that game showed me butch isn't anything special n then candy happened n bad taste about coach n staff....

So n my mind rec is the only thing they r doing at a high level at this point..

N no way he gets more than 3 years to get us to 10 or 11 wins.. If he is at 8 wins in yr 3 then he is john majors 2.0
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You're not doing any of us any favors with "alum" in your username.
 
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#81
"Not trying to retain Chaney"?!?! HAHA!! That is the funniest thing I have read in a while.
 
#85
#85
The way that CBJ has manipulated the media, fans and NCAA/SEC process with this recruiting class should tell fans all they need to know about what this staff is willing to do to get back to the top. Yes, they need to coach them up, and they will and did. Team 117 missed a 7 win season and bowl game by 2 plays. CBJ will have a top 5 maybe top 3 recruiting class with 14 EE's which is huge. Team 118 will be young but I think they will be better than team 117 and I think we will surprise some teams this year.
 
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tomq_123 said:
The way that CBJ has manipulated the media, fans and NCAA/SEC process with this recruiting class should tell fans all they need to know about what this staff is willing to do to get back to the top. Yes, they need to coach them up, and they will and did. Team 117 missed a 7 win season and bowl game by 2 plays. CBJ will have a top 5 maybe top 3 recruiting class with 14 EE's which is huge. Team 118 will be young but I think they will be better than team 118 and I think we will surprise some teams this year.
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Is this parallel universe type talk?
 
#88
#88
checkerboards09 said:
Of course the fans will allow time. I don't get some peoples line of thinking when it comes to the HC. Some people are saying this is a 5 year project and that is absolute nonsense. The fans wanna see positive results (not overnight) and to see the program headed in the right direction. This 5 year crap with some of you is b.s. 3 years is enough time to get this thing turned around and to have us competing for the East, especially with how recruiting is going. No excuses for s****ing the bed in year 3. We'll see how it goes. I think CBJ will get us there, if not, it's time to start a new coaching search.
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Agreed


Probably not winning the SEC outright in year 3, but competing for it is certainly reasonable. This 7 or 8 wins by year 3 stuff is garbage, 7 or 8 wins isn't competing for jackshiz.
 
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You shouldn't repeatedly proclaim that you're hiring the best staff in the country and go on to hire a bunch of your buddies, including some SEC repeated failures. Even if those in question wind up surprising us all, they will FOREVER live behind the dark cloud of "best staff ever."
 
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#91
So how would Saban of done at Bama with our type of schedule? First year? Second year? third year?
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
So, when rebuilding, how many years should we allow before we set goals that are related to the bottom line? Five years? Seven years? If you think it is unfair to set a goal for wins in the first year of a rebuild then you completely disagree with the coaching staff which you defend. Was Butch irrational setting a goal of six wins and bowl in year one? If you call those of us that expected that goal to be met stupid, then you may as well call Butch stupid. I am sure that all of this will be conveniently ignored and swept under the rug. That's the great thing about not having goals, without them you cannot fail.
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100% agree with this
 
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#95
CountVolcula said:
He was playing well enough to have us a lead going into that last drive by Vandy. Then we let them march right down the field

Twice it happened to us
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Wow I wonder why Utah beat Stanford this past season? Stanford was clearly better so what happened? Maybe it was just a badly coached game by a great coach? But that's impossible right? There is no way a coach can coach a great game against a top 10 team and coach a bad game against a non ranked opponent in the same season right?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wow I wonder why Utah beat Stanford this past season? Stanford was clearly better so what happened? Maybe it was just a badly coached game by a great coach? But that's impossible right? There is no way a coach can coach a great game against a top 10 team and coach a bad game against a non ranked opponent in the same season right?
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Didn't I say this above?

I said, great game against SC, bad against Vandy
 
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volfanbill said:
You shouldn't repeatedly proclaim that you're hiring the best staff in the country and go on to hire a bunch of your buddies, including some SEC repeated failures. Even if those in question wind up surprising us all, they will FOREVER live behind the dark cloud of "best staff ever."
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"Dark cloud"...can't take you seriously if that qualifies as one.
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#98
I'm probably the oldest guy who posts on here...been bleeding orange since the early seventies. Friends, I can tell you from experience that we have a long, long way to go, before Vols are competing for championships in the SEC.

The Vols finally have the right guy...but it is going to take several years of staff continuity to get the Big Orange back on top to stay.

The period Tennessee is in, right now, reminds me of the end of the Bill Battle era/beginning of the Johnny Majors era. One day...Bill Battle looked up and he had no speed on defense AND Condredge Holloway had graduated (taking anything offensively dynamic to the CFL with him.)

In the SEC, a team has to be two-deep with elite speed at every skill position. The Vols don't have elite speed anywhere in the back seven defensively... and only one, possibly two, players on offense with elite speed.

It took Johnny Majors (a proven national championship caliber coach) 8 years to win the SEC. (It had been 16 years, total.) What followed was the Big Orange dominance of the 90's...which happened because (even though Majors left in '92, the rest of the staff stayed.) The continuity allowed recruiting relationships with high school coaches allowed for solid pipelines to be built and maintained by the same assistant coaches.

We could go to Frostproof, FL and get Alvin Harper in the late 80's...then go back to Frostproof and grab Travis Henry nearly a decade later...because of relationships between assistant coaches and high school coaches that took years to build.

The Vols were able to rebuild and continue to build because of continuity. There were grumblings...but coach Majors had "done it" at Pitt, so fans knew he at least knew how. Fulmer was a continuation of Majors.

It took 18 years...from Coach Majors first team in 1977...to compete for a national championship...and 21 years to win it. We're not located in Texas, Florida or Alabama, where elite speed grows on trees. We have to build relationships with high school coaches in those places...and, even when we have those relationships in place...it will take years to get to a where we've snatched enough team speed to be two-deep at all skill positions during a four-year cycle.

If the Vols don't stick with THIS guy (CBJ,) they won't consistently compete for championships...ever again. That's how bad of a shape Kiffin & Dooley left the program.
 
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TommyOler said:
I'm probably the oldest guy who posts on here...been bleeding orange since the early seventies. Friends, I can tell you from experience that we have a long, long way to go, before Vols are competing for championships in the SEC.

The Vols finally have the right guy...but it is going to take several years of staff continuity to get the Big Orange back on top to stay.

The period Tennessee is in, right now, reminds me of the end of the Bill Battle era/beginning of the Johnny Majors era. One day...Bill Battle looked up and he had no speed on defense AND Condredge Holloway had graduated (taking anything offensively dynamic to the CFL with him.)

In the SEC, a team has to be two-deep with elite speed at every skill position. The Vols don't have elite speed anywhere in the back seven defensively... and only one, possibly two, players on offense with elite speed.

It took Johnny Majors (a proven national championship caliber coach) 8 years to win the SEC. (It had been 16 years, total.) What followed was the Big Orange dominance of the 90's...which happened because (even though Majors left in '92, the rest of the staff stayed.) The continuity allowed recruiting relationships with high school coaches allowed for solid pipelines to be built and maintained by the same assistant coaches.

We could go to Frostproof, FL and get Alvin Harper in the late 80's...then go back to Frostproof and grab Travis Henry nearly a decade later...because of relationships between assistant coaches and high school coaches that took years to build.

The Vols were able to rebuild and continue to build because of continuity. There were grumblings...but coach Majors had "done it" at Pitt, so fans knew he at least knew how. Fulmer was a continuation of Majors.

It took 18 years...from Coach Majors first team in 1977...to compete for a national championship...and 21 years to win it. We're not located in Texas, Florida or Alabama, where elite speed grows on trees. We have to build relationships with high school coaches in those places...and, even when we have those relationships in place...it will take years to get to a where we've snatched enough team speed to be two-deep at all skill positions during a four-year cycle.

If the Vols don't stick with THIS guy (CBJ,) they won't consistently compete for championships...ever again. That's how bad of a shape Kiffin & Dooley left the program.
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I was a student at U.T. for the last of the Doug Dickey years, and the first couple of Bill Battle years. My first game in person was the 1957 Gator Bowl when Tenn beat the Bear Bryant coached Texas A&M Aggies 3-0.

Your post is one of the most accurate descriptions of where we currently stand that I have read here. It is obvious that you are a mature adult who is able to look at the program objectively.
 
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oregonvol said:
So, 10 out of 504 people? That's your evidence? Seriously? I'm pretty sure I could find 10 out 0f 504 people to say pretty much anything.
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It was a joke to Doyle Hargraves.....easy Flex. That was a poll he himself started about who all wanted CBJ fired. He asked who wanted him fired at the beginning of this thread....joking showing him he should already know.
 
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