Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

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madtownvol said:
As long as Kellie keeps making it to the Sweet 16, it would be hard to fire her. There would be too much media backlash. Anything short of that would open the door.
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I agree with you. Are you content with being a perennial Sweet 16 team with an Elite Eight appearance here and 2nd round exit there?
 
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The LVs should have won the NC. Who was the last team that beat LSU? The Lady Vols. The LVs had the talent. See how they destroyed St. Louis and Toledo, as a talented team should. Kellie Harper is a good coach who could be a great coach if she coached all of the time like she coached in the LSU win.
She outcoached Mulkey!
 
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Terrells Bay88 said:
I agree with you. Are you content with being a perennial Sweet 16 team with an Elite Eight appearance here and 2nd round exit there?
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My contentment (or lack of) is irrelevant. I will say that if a team is good enough to make to the sweet 16 or an elite 8. they are good enough to go all the way with a bit of good fortune. So keeping the LVs at that level, in todays envrionment is not bad because it is EASY to fall off fast. Kim Mulkey's don't grow on trees . So we can't use her example --2 years from a losing record to an NC-- as the standard because no else has done it. And Mulkey could not have done it without the new transfer portal rules and having a school that jumped out to an early advantage in the NIL game.
 
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madtownvol said:
As long as Kellie keeps making it to the Sweet 16, it would be hard to fire her. There would be too much media backlash. Anything short of that would open the door.
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There wouldn't be a media backlash. For one thing, the media only learns of a coach getting sacked after the fact--so any backlash would be pointless.

For me, being an //above average// team that can get into the tournament every year but can't get beyond the Sweet 16 or become a genuine contender would be the //worst-case// scenario. Then you are just muddling along year after year after year--which is essentially what we've been doing for the last 15 years. I'd much rather we be terrible for a couple of years, lose the coach and make a real effort to find a genuinely talented coach/proven winner. There's always a risk in sacking a coach who's been doing just enough to stick, but it would be a risk I'd be wiling to take.

That's what happened years ago on the men's side with Coach Don Devoe. He was a solid coach, but not very dynamic personally and not a very good recruiter, and thus the Vols with him were respectable, above average--but not good. And he was sacked, and I believe his successors had even less success than he did. So there's the risk of going from mediocre/above average to poor, to be sure--but programs with our pedigree should be willing to take that risk, IMO. I want Harper to succeed, but she's not shown me a lot thus far. She's a better coach than Warlick, but a worse recruiter and we're still basically muddling along--and we muddled along this year despite having two of the top 20 players in America, I believe.
 
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MEDIA BACKLASH....................................YA GOT TO BE KIDDIN...
FIRST YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A SPORTS MEDIA IN KNOXVEGAS.....
AND IF YOU WERE TO HAVE ANY CREDIBLE MEDIA IN KNOXVEGAS THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANY CLUE ABOUT THE LADY VOLS.
 
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turbovol said:
There wouldn't be a media backlash. For one thing, the media only learns of a coach getting sacked after the fact--so any backlash would be pointless.

For me, being an //above average// team that can get into the tournament every year but can't get beyond the Sweet 16 or become a genuine contender would be the //worst-case// scenario. Then you are just muddling along year after year after year--which is essentially what we've been doing for the last 15 years. I'd much rather we be terrible for a couple of years, lose the coach and make a real effort to find a genuinely talented coach/proven winner. There's always a risk in sacking a coach who's been doing just enough to stick, but it would be a risk I'd be wiling to take.

That's what happened years ago on the men's side with Coach Don Devoe. He was a solid coach, but not very dynamic personally and not a very good recruiter, and thus the Vols with him were respectable, above average--but not good. And he was sacked, and I believe his successors had even less success than he did. So there's the risk of going from mediocre/above average to poor, to be sure--but programs with our pedigree should be willing to take that risk, IMO. I want Harper to succeed, but she's not shown me a lot thus far. She's a better coach than Warlick, but a worse recruiter and we're still basically muddling along--and we muddled along this year despite having two of the top 20 players in America, I believe.
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Firing a coach after taking a team to what would be three straight Sweet 16s (if that happened next year) would definitely raise a stir in the media and make the LVs seem like a really risky job to take. If they had a replacement lined up before hand, then you are probably right the storm would pass and all would be fine but if not, they might that tennessee does not look so attractive.

And easy to say, yeah let's take the Don Devoe but that was basically a decade in the darkness...
 
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madtownvol said:
I hope she likes rubber chicken barbecue.
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ad, mens basketball,football coach are going to far as firing holly lost controll of her team when westbrook said something be done no other player said anything. if miles would said fire kelliie i think they been more than speak up for kellie lady vol players
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
How long are you going to keep peddling this?! 😩 She’s building a program at Ole Miss, we have Kellie……for now.
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And Kellie has owned Coach Yo head to head the entire time they have both been in the SEC. It’s not just about the players.

Yo is one heck of a recruiter and motivator. I was super impressed with her team in the post season. But we have done the same or more with Kellie so idk why people want to hitch themselves to that wagon so bad.
 
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Lawdawg said:
If we had Coach Yo, we’d be getting players by the handful.
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Coach Yo is doing an amazing job no doubt but she is also quickly jumping on many of the early portal additions

Notice a lot of the bigger programs haven't started landing anyone from the portal yet. I haven't seen SC, LSU, Iowa, VT, UCONN, etc take in anyone yet. Most are being selective and letting things play out. Every day someone even bigger continue to enter the portal.
 
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Ladyvolfan45 said:
Coach Yo is doing an amazing job no doubt but she is also quickly jumping on many of the early portal additions

Notice a lot of the bigger programs haven't started landing anyone from the portal yet. I haven't seen SC, LSU, Iowa, VT, UCONN, etc take in anyone yet. Most are being selective and letting things play out. Every day someone even bigger continue to enter the portal.
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Those programs don’t need much. We do.
 
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