Kiffin to Florida?

Will Kiffin be FL's next coach?

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05_never_again said:
You're still way overstating OM's historical success as a program relative to UF's. Virtually all of UF's accomplishments as a program have been since 1990 and under just two coaches, true, but there's quite a bit crammed into that relatively short period of time. More than what OM achieved in the late 50s/early 60s and more consistent. OM wasn't even an elite team when their by far most decorated player of all time played there (Archie).

Also, despite UF doing nothing of note until 1990, they still have 82 more all-time wins than OM and a much better winning %.
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Statistically speaking that's what, less than one game a year extra wins over the history of the two programs. So basically UF had a 12-13 year run with a host of titles then went back to the dumpster.
 
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GVF said:
OK. Didn't mean to part the Red Sea by saying there wasn't much to UF pre-Spurrier. It ain't like I was toting UM's anchor.

But, by your last sentence UT only real accomplishment when they were up was a high winning percentage. Something that has been maintained over the longevity of the program. We certainly don't have many titles of any kind to show for all our success during the Fulmer years. We have a considerably higher winning percentage overall to UF, but by your measurement they would still be a far superior program with all those Spurrier/Myer titles. Since we've never really had that. And when we did it was too long ago to relevent now, other than tradition I suppose.??? How does this shke out. I could get really depressed if I apply tyour success model to UT. I'm just a die hard fan without requirements.
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You'd be correct. We have only 1 modern era national title.

Many other big time programs are in the same boat. If you consider the "modern era" to have begun in 1980, Michigan has 1.5 national titles. Texas has one. Notre Dame has one. Tennessee has one. Auburn has one, and if it wasn't for Cam Newton they wouldn't have any. Until the last couple of years, UGA had one. Texas A&M doesn't have any, and their last one was in 1939.

It isn't like there are a lot of other Alabamas out there. Even Ohio St, who wins 10 or 11 games every single year, only has 2 modern era titles (2002 and 2014). Oklahoma only has 2, and the last one was 24 years ago; almost as long ago as ours. They don't grow on trees unless you're Alabama.
 
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05_never_again said:
You'd be correct. We have only 1 modern era national title.

Many other big time programs are in the same boat. If you consider the "modern era" to have begun in 1980, Michigan has 1.5 national titles. Texas has one. Notre Dame has one. Tennessee has one. It isn't like there are a lot of other Alabama's out there. Even Ohio St, who wins 10 or 11 games every single year, only has 2 modern era titles (2002 and 2014). Oklahoma only has 2, and the last one was 24 years ago. They don't grow on trees unless you're Alabama.
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Which is why success is more than titles. Only Bama has titles spanning most eras. (Stallings was a great coach. Shows how good Saban was). Everyone else is meh unless you broaden your scope. Anyone over .500 has been very successful, considering the main difference between the .500's and .600's over time is a one game a year win difference on average.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I feel the debate of whether Ole Miss vs UF is more attractive comes down to:

UF has a prettier dumpster but it's on fire and shows no sign of going out soon.

The coach and AD are both on the edge, the President is an interim and apparently clueless and ball-less.

Regardless of which has the "better ceiling," only one program is in deep, deep trouble on a lot of levels.

Kiffin can do several decent seasons at Ole Miss until DeBoer wears out his welcome at Bama or he can go to UF and struggle to rebuild.

It's a no brainer right now to stay at Ole Miss.
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Quality post.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
The only reason it’s potentially a lateral move is because it sounds like the Florida Administration is in a bad place.

If Florida has a Jeremy Foley type as AD, or someone comparable, UF is better. By a lot. Better recruiting, better stadium, better history, etc.. Florida’s ceiling as a program should always be higher than Ole Miss.
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I just don't see "this state or that state" has better recruiting now with the NIL and transfer portal. While you do still need recruiters, you almost need negotiaters just as much now.

I know Lane was always unhappy with his no crowds or crowds leaving early but he shouldn't have that problem this year.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I feel the debate of whether Ole Miss vs UF is more attractive comes down to:

UF has a prettier dumpster but it's on fire and shows no sign of going out soon.

The coach and AD are both on the edge, the President is an interim and apparently clueless and ball-less.

Regardless of which has the "better ceiling," only one program is in deep, deep trouble on a lot of levels.

Kiffin can do several decent seasons at Ole Miss until DeBoer wears out his welcome at Bama or he can go to UF and struggle to rebuild.

It's a no brainer right now to stay at Ole Miss.
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Exactly, I just don’t see any upside to going to Florida right now.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I just don't see "this state or that state" has better recruiting now with the NIL and transfer portal. While you do still need recruiters, you almost need negotiaters just as much now.

I know Lane was always unhappy with his no crowds or crowds leaving early but he shouldn't have that problem this year.
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I just think the Florida brand is stronger than Ole Miss’ ever was . Florida has recent championships, i think the facilities have improved, and while NIL has definitely changed the landscape of college football it’s certainly easier to rollout of bed in Gainesville and make a trip to South Florida area schools or the small town Pahokies of the world that have a long history with putting their players in Gainesville. Even though Ole Miss might be a title contender this season, I don’t know what Lane is doing at Ole Miss is sustainable using the portal as much as he has . At Florida I think he would have a much better chance for sustained success
 
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Nicovfl8 said:
I think definitely is Napier gets fired kiffin is the the top candidate. Then the gators would almost for sure be a juggernaut again😞
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If Heupel exceeds here big time, you think he might entertain an offer from the NFL? I don't think there's any other college team he would possibly need affirmation as that he's a program builder. If Heupel ever leaves Knoxville, it will be for the NFL. That somewhat remote speculation would enable us to get whomever TF we wanted.

My desire is that Heupel will retire at UT. That may be a bit naive
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I just think the Florida brand is stronger than Ole Miss’ ever was . Florida has recent championships, i think the facilities have improved, and while NIL has definitely changed the landscape of college football it’s certainly easier to rollout of bed in Gainesville and make a trip to South Florida area schools or the small town Pahokies of the world that have a long history with putting their players in Gainesville. Even though Ole Miss might be a title contender this season, I don’t know what Lane is doing at Ole Miss is sustainable using the portal as much as he has . At Florida I think he would have a much better chance for sustained success
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It's not a thought. It's a FACT Florida's brand is stronger. Miles apart. They've won multiple national championships in multiple sports.
 
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GVF said:
Which is why success is more than titles. Only Bama has titles spanning most eras. (Stallings was a great coach. Shows how good Saban was). Everyone else is meh unless you broaden your scope. Anyone
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If success is more than titles, then you do a disservice to UF by saying they had no history to speak of before 1990.

No championship history that is, but there were periods of success under Ray Graves in the 60s and again in the mid 70s.
 
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GVF said:
?? UF history is only as old as the arrival of Spurrier. Prior, UF is no better than OM.
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They are no where near ole miss until the 90s. Ole Miss had three natties before fLordia ever one their f
GVF said:
?? UF history is only as old as the arrival of Spurrier. Prior, UF is no better than OM.
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Guys, guys, can't we just agree that they are both horrible.
 
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dieseldaddy said:
They are no where near ole miss until the 90s. Ole Miss had three natties before fLordia ever one their first sec championship.
Guys, guys, can't we just agree that they are both horrible.
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I don't know what I just did. I'm sorry for triple post
 
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