Kiffin to Florida?

Will Kiffin be FL's next coach?

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#128
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miket4god said:
Fire Napier today and most players are done. They'll quit playing this season so they can still redshirt and they'll enter the portal in Dec.
I think they wait at least until FL has played five games so the players can't redshirt this year.
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The flip side of that is that they still need good film. Good film will help their future NIL deals if/when they hit the portal.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
ZERO chance he goes there. With NIL and the transfer portal now he can do anything at Ole Miss that he can do at Florida.
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The only reason it’s potentially a lateral move is because it sounds like the Florida Administration is in a bad place.

If Florida has a Jeremy Foley type as AD, or someone comparable, UF is better. By a lot. Better recruiting, better stadium, better history, etc.. Florida’s ceiling as a program should always be higher than Ole Miss.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
The only reason it’s potentially a lateral move is because it sounds like the Florida Administration is in a bad place.

If Florida has a Jeremy Foley type as AD, or someone comparable, UF is better. By a lot. Better recruiting, better stadium, better history, etc.. Florida’s ceiling as a program should always be higher than Ole Miss.
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?? UF history is only as old as the arrival of Spurrier. Prior, UF is no better than OM.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I guess it’s a good thing for Florida that Spurrier came to Florida almost 35 years ago. Ole Miss has never even been Atlanta.
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Ole Miss won their 6 SEC titles long before going to ATL was a thing. Haven't won in it in 5 decades give or take but prior to Spurrier, UF never won the SEC at all.
 
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GVF said:
?? UF history is only as old as the arrival of Spurrier. Prior, UF is no better than OM.
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OM's entire history as a program (the only things people still remember) took place from 1959 to 1963, and when Archie Manning was there (and honestly a lot of that is because of the success of his sons).

Nobody remembers anything that happened at UF prior to 1990, you're right, but they are infinitely more accomplished as a program relative to OM. Three national titles, 2 Heisman winners, 8 SEC titles since 1990. OM doesn't have either of those first 2 things and the most recent of their 3 SEC titles was in 1963.
 
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05_never_again said:
OM's entire history as a program (the only things people still remember) took place from 1959 to 1963, and when Archie Manning was there (and honestly a lot of that is because of the success of his sons).

Nobody remembers anything that happened at UF prior to 1990, you're right, but they are infinitely more accomplished as a program relative to OM. Three national titles, 2 Heisman winners, 8 SEC titles since 1990. OM doesn't have either of those first 2 things and the most recent of their 3 SEC titles was in 1963.
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Well aware of all that. In response to whatever post it was about UF/UM above, my point was just that outside of Spurrier/Myer, success and UF football were not in alignment with each other. There was a bit of UM success other than Archie as they have 6 SEC titles and Archies couldn't have done all that. 40's thru mid-60's, UM was somewhat reliable. And there was a time Sewanee was too.
 
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05_never_again said:
OM's entire history as a program (the only things people still remember) took place from 1959 to 1963, and when Archie Manning was there (and honestly a lot of that is because of the success of his sons).

Nobody remembers anything that happened at UF prior to 1990, you're right, but they are infinitely more accomplished as a program relative to OM. Three national titles, 2 Heisman winners, 8 SEC titles since 1990. OM doesn't have either of those first 2 things and the most recent of their 3 SEC titles was in 1963.
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UM was poised for 3 NC's at one point in that era, but final votings did not go their way. They lay unofficial claim to those 3, but offically was #2/#3.
 
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GVF said:
Well aware of all that. In response to whatever post it was about UF/UM above, my point was just that outside of Spurrier/Myer, success and UF football were not in alignment with each other. There was a bit of UM success other than Archie as they have 6 SEC titles and Archies couldn't have done all that. 40's thru mid-60's, UM was somewhat reliable. And there was a time Sewanee was too.
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You're still way overstating OM's historical success as a program relative to UF's. Virtually all of UF's accomplishments as a program have been since 1990 and under just two coaches, true, but there's quite a bit crammed into that relatively short period of time. More than what OM achieved in the late 50s/early 60s and more consistent. OM wasn't even an elite team when their by far most decorated player of all time played there (Archie).

Also, despite UF doing nothing of note until 1990, they still have 82 more all-time wins than OM and a much better winning %.
 
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The Florida schools are new bloods, thanks to a population boom in the mid-late 1970s.

UM, UF and FSU were all on a similar trajectory in the 80s until UF got clipped for NCAA violations. Miami was the beneficiary, torturing UF and FSU routinely before FSU broke through in ‘93, then UF three years later.
 
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05_never_again said:
You're still way overstating OM's historical success as a program relative to UF's. Virtually all of UF's accomplishments as a program have been since 1990 and under just two coaches, true, but there's quite a bit crammed into that relatively short period of time. More than what OM achieved in the late 50s/early 60s and more consistent. OM wasn't even an elite team when their by far most decorated player of all time played there (Archie).

Also, despite UF doing nothing of note until 1990, they still have 82 more all-time wins than OM and a much better winning %.
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All of which is because of Spurrier and to a lesser degree Myer, without whom their all time-record would likely be about equal to UM.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The Florida schools are new bloods, thanks to a population boom in the mid-late 1970s.

UM, UF and FSU were all on a similar trajectory in the 80s until UF got clipped for NCAA violations. Miami was the beneficiary, torturing UF and FSU routinely before FSU broke through in ‘93, then UF three years later.
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It did help UF that Charlie Pell and Galen Hall eventually moved on.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The Florida schools are new bloods, thanks to a population boom in the mid-late 1970s.

UM, UF and FSU were all on a similar trajectory in the 80s until UF got clipped for NCAA violations. Miami was the beneficiary, torturing UF and FSU routinely before FSU broke through in ‘93, then UF three years later.
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There were some pretty ruthless Miami teams then. Spurrier and Bowden finally leveled that playing field. Some of the best games to watch was between those 3.
 
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GVF said:
All of which is because of Spurrier and to a lesser degree Myer, without whom their all time-record would likely be about equal to UM.
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Like I said, UF has more crammed into their good years than OM has crammed into theirs. You can play the "well if they didn't have this" game all day. Without Bear Bryant and Saban, Alabama has "only" 6 titles, only one of which is in the modern era (Gene Stallings in 1992).

When you're assessing the relative achievements of programs, it isn't just about longevity or when the school's "good period" started. You have to factor in how much they actually achieved when they were up as well.
 
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05_never_again said:
Like I said, UF has more crammed into their good years than OM has crammed into theirs. You can play the "well if they didn't have this" game all day. Without Bear Bryant and Saban, Alabama has "only" 6 titles, only one of which is in the modern era (Gene Stallings in 1992).

When you're assessing the relative achievements of programs, it isn't just about longevity or when the school's "good period" started. You have to factor in how much they actually achieved when they were up as well.
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If Spurrier didn’t win a bunch of games in the 90s, Tennessee would have 8 more SEC titles and at least four more national titles.

Did I do that right? 😁
 
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05_never_again said:
Like I said, UF has more crammed into their good years than OM has crammed into theirs. You can play the "well if they didn't have this" game all day. Without Bear Bryant and Saban, Alabama has "only" 6 titles, only one of which is in the modern era (Gene Stallings in 1992).

When you're assessing the relative achievements of programs, it isn't just about longevity or when the school's "good period" started. You have to factor in how much they actually achieved when they were up as well.
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OK. Didn't mean to part the Red Sea by saying there wasn't much to UF pre-Spurrier. It ain't like I was toting UM's anchor.

But, by your last sentence UT only real accomplishment when they were up was a high winning percentage. Something that has been maintained over the longevity of the program. We certainly don't have many titles of any kind to show for all our success during the Fulmer years. We have a considerably higher winning percentage overall to UF, but by your measurement they would still be a far superior program with all those Spurrier/Myer titles. Since we've never really had that outside the General. And when we did it was too long ago to relevent now, other than tradition I suppose.??? How does this shke out. I could get really depressed if I apply tyour success model to UT. I'm just a die hard fan without requirements.
 
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I feel the debate of whether Ole Miss vs UF is more attractive comes down to:

UF has a prettier dumpster but it's on fire and shows no sign of going out soon.

The coach and AD are both on the edge, the President is an interim and apparently clueless and ball-less.

Regardless of which has the "better ceiling," only one program is in deep, deep trouble on a lot of levels.

Kiffin can do several decent seasons at Ole Miss until DeBoer wears out his welcome at Bama or he can go to UF and struggle to rebuild.

It's a no brainer right now to stay at Ole Miss.
 
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