Kim Caldwell (Rookie Coach of the Year-WBCA) is named Head Coach of Iconic Lady Vols WBB

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VOLINVONORE said:
She was 22 years old when she became Tennessee's head coach. She succeeded Margaret Hutson as Tennessee's head coach. She did develop the program into what it became a national leader in Women's athletics. However, at 22 years of age she certainly was not an established coach but she became the best in the Nation with her hard work and knowledge of the game.
By the way, Tennessee's first women's basketball team was in 1903 and played teams including Maryville College, Carson Newman, University of Chattanooga, and The Tennessee School for the Deaf and Dumb. I do not know who won those games.
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I see your point and I’m not going to bash Summit by any means, nor is this rebuttal intended to be a slap at Summit. But you have to admit comparing women’s basketball then to what it is now is like comparing apples to oranges. Anyone at the point was an up and comer.

And besides, you’re actually proving my point. She built it into the juggernaut it was and can still be, but what’s happened since she left? Two coaches, one with zero HC experience and the other was a debatable resume of HC experience. Both fired for not having the success that’s expected of the LV program. You think a “rising star”, as that Twitter guy posted, is better than or on the same level as these previous two in terms of ability?
 
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Orange. said:
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🤣 Good for you for being logical and asking for evidence, Rooster1!

One poster last night claimed that not one but literally "all" of the people who supported a coaching change "promised" all of the following:

1. a home run hire
2. a top five coach
3. who will bring great players with them
4. someone with ff experience
5. that will move the program significantly quickly.

I asked to have one person cited who had made all five of those claims, and I said I knew that not all people had not "promised" "all five" of those things. The poster went off on me! 🤣 And in the process tacked on (without evidence) even more extravagant claims allegedly all "promised" by "all."

6. we would back up the brinks truck at Dawn’s house
7. our program would attract coaches who could just snap their fingers and get us to a ff

It would be nice, since you are a regular, if you would ask -- in the interest of truth -- who promised "all" seven of those things.

And in case there is even one person who did (which I doubted but conceded as a (doubtful) possibility that I was unaware of, on principle), please ask that poster for evidence of the literal claim itself: That "all" (every single one) of the people who supported a new coach said all 7 things.

Principles before personalities, of course, by reason. But maybe since you are regular and a fan of another program, the poster will listen to you.

And try not to write standard English lest you be falsely alleged on that basis to be working for DW. 🤣 (Even though it is bizarre to imagine a fan of Tennessee athletics taking that as a negative. They are giving their all for Tennessee!)
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Yes, Rooster is a SC fan, and they’re very happy with D. White firing Kellie.
 
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Orange. said:
and again


🤣 Good for you for being logical and asking for evidence, Rooster1!

One poster last night claimed that not one but literally "all" of the people who supported a coaching change "promised" all of the following:

1. a home run hire
2. a top five coach
3. who will bring great players with them
4. someone with ff experience
5. that will move the program significantly quickly.

I asked to have one person cited who had made all five of those claims, and I said I knew that not all people had not "promised" "all five" of those things. The poster went off on me! 🤣 And in the process tacked on (without evidence) even more extravagant claims allegedly all "promised" by "all."

6. we would back up the brinks truck at Dawn’s house
7. our program would attract coaches who could just snap their fingers and get us to a ff

It would be nice, since you are a regular, if you would ask -- in the interest of truth -- who promised "all" seven of those things.

And in case there is even one person who did (which I doubted but conceded as a (doubtful) possibility that I was unaware of, on principle), please ask that poster for evidence of the literal claim itself: That "all" (every single one) of the people who supported a new coach said all 7 things.

Principles before personalities, of course, by reason. But maybe since you are regular and a fan of another program, the poster will listen to you.

And try not to write standard English lest you be falsely alleged on that basis to be working for DW. 🤣 (Even though it is bizarre to imagine a fan of Tennessee athletics taking that as a negative. They are giving their all for Tennessee!)
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I am so sorry that I was unclear that this list was just a sampling from the many claims by the “fahr Kellie” crowd. So tell me the importance of whether four people said we would hire a top five coach and nine said it would be a home run hire and seven said we would hire a coach with final four experience and of those seven three also said the new coach would bring a unicorn with them.
The problem for those folks is that DW is not going to be able to deliver on all of their fevered dreams. But not to worry, the goal posts are moving as we speak. Most have now figured out Dawn is not walking through the door and that JuJu Watkins will remain in LA.. I anticipate the hire to be generally comparable to Kellie with perhaps a couple of good years recently.
Regarding the athletic department and your connection with it. The mere fact that you would assert the employees there give their all for Tennessee confirms to me you are employed there or are the spouse of an employee.
I am not at all casting dispersions on those fine folks but they are employees of the university. They are not student athletes putting their blood sweat and tears into their sport and teammates.
Employees are giving their all, or probably around 85% truth be known, for their paychecks.
Is there a single person in the athletic department that would not be out the door for a 30% raise? I hope not because that would mean they are not very bright and don’t care about making a better life for their family. Do they love UT sports? Sure they do but let’s not romanticize their devotion. I’m sure DW is having a ball being the AD at UT. If Michigan offered him $500k more a year he would take it. Anyone would.
Perhaps you should calm down about this. Also my friend Rooster has gone fishing.
 
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The Vin Man said:
Then why are you here? Nothing you think or feel is going to change what happened. Kellie had 5 years to prove herself. If you think differently rewatch the final play of the Carolina game where we left a wide open USC player hit a game winning 3 or the loss to MTSU. Tennessee deserves better.
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His post was about the Lady Vol Players. Unfortunately a group that many on here feel fine at best ignoring at worst disparaging.
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
Yes, Rooster is a SC fan, and they’re very happy with D. White firing Kellie.
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You exhibit zero reading comprehension. I notice you didn't assail Rooster1 for asking for evidence, which was the point. A person with even half a brain and one eye will spot that right away. Sorry. Your attempt at being snide is lame. Also, you didn't answer the question about the factuality of the "all" claim, that you "liked," and was the subject of the post you are flimsily and embarrassingly contesting. You were wrong.

@Rooster1
Is it true, as brah claims, that your posts are deliberate falsehoods? @Volfaninfl2 (who "liked" the posts I referred to your attention above) now wants to imply at me that you said you think a new hire will give the LVs a boost only as a ruse. As a strategic lie. And that you think it will make the LVs worse in the future and easier to beat? Is that true? Thanks.

Also, please note that we have now in this new post a repetition of the ridiculous "all" claim I pointed out to you in a previous post. This time it is claimed without evidence that your opinion represents the views of all SCar fans. "They're very happy". Do all SCar fans have the identical view of the Tennessee coaching search, in your estimation?
 
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House|RockyTop said:
There is no coaching candidate off limits. Every coach that has been contacted has shown interest in the job. Some big name coaches agent have reached out to the AD. So if someone says any coach has no interest take it with a grain of salt. That includes the coach from Louisville or any other program.
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Add names so we can believe you
 
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I pull for the Big Orange in all sports and have absolutely no idea who should or will be selected as the new head coach. I do see a strong parallel between the Nebraska football program and the Lady Vols. Both had a legendary head coach . Both have an incredible fan base. Both fan bases were/are absolutely confident that Lincoln/Knoxville are the top job openings and plucking a coaching successor is no problem at all. "The program sells itself"
We live in a new world. Player mobility and NIL funding are here to stay. Talent levels at both schools dropped and has not recovered.

Fans are not the only ones that live in the past, Notre Dame football was rated no 7 in 2000 and no 6 in 2009....each year they had ONE player drafted. The assumption being that Notre Dame was Notre Dame and everyone always wants to go there.

Love my Vols but I don't believe that everyone headed headed to Knoxville is WNBA stardom bound.
 
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VolFuture said:
Bc Kellie wasn’t an abject failure…
He’s being very clear on intention. NOT JUST BETTER THAN KELLIE but ELITE a sure fire FF coach… and that list isn’t as long as u think

They must be proven. Bro I’m not an AD but I am a coach… anything less is a terrible look for DW
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Says the poster in a message board. I get it he has been clear in intention. But hiring a coach is always a crap shoot. And I mean always. Regardless of who he hires, Harper had to go. She wasn’t moving the program forward at all. Wasn’t developing the talent and showed this year she is an incompetent coach.

Correct me if I am wrong but where is it started that White has specifically said he is going after an elite sure fire final 4 coach? Also, be realistic, how many sure fire, can’t miss, final 4 coaches are there? And can we realistically get one?

Sorry but your post seems to be setting up for you to bash Dannn White for firing Harper.
 
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Lucy said:
I am so sorry that I was unclear that this list was just a sampling from the many claims by the “fahr Kellie” crowd....
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I stated the point clearly. It was my exact point that "all" didn't say "all" that. It would have been nice if you had just said what you say now. Instead of launching a new rant. Thank you.

I know he is your friend. That's why you didn't jump him for making the same point in different context. Please extend others the same courtesy. Thank you again.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Says the poster in a message board. I get it he has been clear in intention. But hiring a coach is always a crap shoot. And I mean always. Regardless of who he hires, Harper had to go. She wasn’t moving the program forward at all. Wasn’t developing the talent and showed this year she is an incompetent coach.

Correct me if I am wrong but where is it started that White has specifically said he is going after an elite sure fire final 4 coach? Also, be realistic, how many sure fire, can’t miss, final 4 coaches are there? And can we realistically get one?

Sorry but your post seems to be setting up for you to bash Dannn White for firing Harper.
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You open the bag… yes. I disagree Harper had some portal line ups and so on but I won’t argue bc it happened….

He must open the paycheck and make an offer to one of the conference champ coaches who aren’t being paid…

There are many we need one

I will judge accordingly based on his hire I posted my hierarchal hires
 
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Orange. said:
I stated the point clearly. It was my exact point that "all" didn't say "all" that. It would have been nice if you had just said what you say now. Instead of launching a new rant. Thank you.

I know he is your friend. That's why you didn't jump him for making the same point in different context. Please extend others the same courtesy. Thank you again.
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Well you may not have appreciated my “rant” but you’ve got to admit the mental picture of a new coach bringing a unicorn to work has some comedy value.
 
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Orange. said:
You exhibit zero reading comprehension. I notice you didn't assail Rooster1 for asking for evidence, which was the point. A person with even half a brain and one eye will spot that right away. Sorry. Your attempt at being snide is lame. Also, you didn't answer the question about the factuality of the "all" claim, that you "liked," and was the subject of the post you are flimsily and embarrassingly contesting. You were wrong.

@Rooster1
Is it true, as brah claims, that your posts are deliberate falsehoods? @Volfaninfl2 (who "liked" the posts I referred to your attention above) now wants to imply at me that you said you think a new hire will give the LVs a boost only as a ruse. As a strategic lie. And that you think it will make the LVs worse in the future and easier to beat? Is that true? Thanks.

Also, please note that we have now in this new post a repetition of the ridiculous "all" claim I pointed out to you in a previous post. This time it is claimed without evidence that your opinion represents the views of all SCar fans. "They're very happy". Do all SCar fans have the identical view of the Tennessee coaching search, in your estimation?
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Hit a nerve? Argue with someone else, I’ve just put you on ignore.
 
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