Knox Catholic High/Clemson

#76
#76
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's the sort of weak minset that has made Tennessee a laughing stock.

You're either wish us or you're against us.

If Cade Mays don't wanna be a Vol, then he better not have any plans of coming back to Knoxville cause traitors are not welcome. And that's what you are if you are a local kid who turns down UT for another school. A TRAITOR.
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OK, your probably not going to get it. Generally, the word traitor is used when someone works with a foreign government damaging his/her own. Here, we're talking about a game (football) and 17/18 yo. kids. Just because you grew up in Knoxville does not now mean you must play for UT. That comes down to each person's best career path, coaching staff fit, etc. In other words, it's still just a game. Or, are you going to be waiting for them to return to Knoxville so you can tar and feather them?
 
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biggestvols said:
Smith, Rodgers, Mays, Kyberson are all Knoxville kids. Now, prove you right.
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So 4 players over multiple years proves the entire school population is Knoxville native? Ok. Try this:

Mays is from TN, no debate there.

Rodgers' father is from Alabama and only lived in Knoxville for 4 years, that's a transplant. (Though I'll grant you it's highly unlikely he attended Catholic for religious reasons)

Harrison Smith was born in Augusta, GA. Transplant

I don't know any background on his parents, but Kerbyson was born in Knoxville. I'll happily give you that.

Jones had 3 sons all in the Catholic system. I just named more transplants than you without even trying.

I'm not trying to get into some massive debate over the student body of Catholic. All I'm saying is Catholicism is far from the predominant religion in Knoxville and the South. Catholic's student body is predominantly Catholic (that's stated on Catholic's website), so it stands to reason the school would be far from the poster child for loyalty to the state of Tennessee.
 
#78
#78
biggestvols said:
Calling BS...a superstar college athlete playing on a big stage and discussed every week in the same city as your high school is a bigger draw than...remember him, he played at Michigan when they won 10 games.
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You're comparing apples to automobiles here. A current superstar is always going to be a bigger name than a past guy, but location isn't important anymore. If Catholic puts a star QB into college, kids are going to know exactly who he is whether he's in Knoxville, Norman, or Los Angeles. This isn't 1950 where you only get local news...
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
So 4 players over multiple years proves the entire school population is Knoxville native? Ok. Try this:

Mays is from TN, no debate there.

Rodgers' father is from Alabama and only lived in Knoxville for 4 years, that's a transplant. (Though I'll grant you it's highly unlikely he attended Catholic for religious reasons)

Harrison Smith was born in Augusta, GA. Transplant

I don't know any background on his parents, but Kerbyson was born in Knoxville. I'll happily give you that.

Jones had 3 sons all in the Catholic system. I just named more transplants than you without even trying.

I'm not trying to get into some massive debate over the student body of Catholic. All I'm saying is Catholicism is far from the predominant religion in Knoxville and the South. Catholic's student body is predominantly Catholic (that's stated on Catholic's website), so it stands to reason the school would be far from the poster child for loyalty to the state of Tennessee.
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Rodgers was born and raised in Knoxville. How many generations do you have to go back to be considered “from Knoxville.”

Here’s an article on Harrison Smith were he talks about being raised in Knoxville. So, get your facts right

Knoxville's Harrison Smith at home with Minnesota Vikings

You’ve named one family (Jones). It’s a small school, it’s been in Knoxville for decades. There are plenty of Catholics and non-catholics to fill it from Kville. It’s full of local kids.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
You're comparing apples to automobiles here. A current superstar is always going to be a bigger name than a past guy, but location isn't important anymore. If Catholic puts a star QB into college, kids are going to know exactly who he is whether he's in Knoxville, Norman, or Los Angeles. This isn't 1950 where you only get local news...
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Ok, take Jason Witten. Is he still a big deal in Knoxville/East TN if he went to Florida. No.
 
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biggestvols said:
Ok, take Jason Witten. Is he still a big deal in Knoxville/East TN if he went to Florida. No.
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He'd be a big deal at whatever high school he attended... You think Tee Martin's high school doesn't talk about him just because he went to Tennessee? We're talking about a school, not an entire community. Stop moving the goal posts.
 
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TC0103 said:
Seems like a very strange mentality to me. I am from NJ and went to Clemson, after looking at schools all over the country. Should I have been “ostracized” for not going to Rutgers? I get that Mays has a familial connection but it just seems oddly presumptuous to assume that a kid needs to go to the major school most geographically near where he grew up...🤔
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The person you quoted is NOT representative of this fan base and IMO is a troll. I recommend that you NOT take anything he says remotely serious. The more time you spend here you will understand, IF you read his posts.
 
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biggestvols said:
Rodgers was born and raised in Knoxville. How many generations do you have to go back to be considered “from Knoxville.”

Here’s an article on Harrison Smith were he talks about being raised in Knoxville. So, get your facts right

Knoxville's Harrison Smith at home with Minnesota Vikings

You’ve named one family (Jones). It’s a small school, it’s been in Knoxville for decades. There are plenty of Catholics and non-catholics to fill it from Kville. It’s full of local kids.
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Yes, where your parents came from matters. I was born in Oak Ridge. My parents weren't. I'm from TN, but my family is a transplant. It's not that complicated...
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
This post is pathetic. If kids want to leave home for college they don't need to be told to get the hell out of Tennessee and never come back. Social pressure? Ostracized? Stupid.
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Consider the source. Is anyone really surprised by the typhoon of manic idiocy on display?
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
Yes, where your parents came from matters. I was born in Oak Ridge. My parents weren't. I'm from TN, but my family is a transplant. It's not that complicated...
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You've been walking too close to the reactors. Amari Rogders is from TN. He was born and raised in East TN.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
He'd be a big deal at whatever high school he attended... You think Tee Martin's high school doesn't talk about him just because he went to Tennessee? We're talking about a school, not an entire community. Stop moving the goal posts.
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Not as big as if he went to Auburn or FL State and won a Natty. Not even close
 
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savannahfan said:
What type of "incentives" are you talking about for a high
school? Is it "recruiting" at the high school level? I have wondered over the last few years about private schools "recruiting". I see many kids playing football for them that would have no way of paying for private schooling. Are these schools "paying" these kids with tuition and other costs? Just wondering.
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All high schools recruit. Not just the private ones.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
Harrison Smith was born in Augusta, GA. Transplant.
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I know the family. Harrison was born in Augusta only due to the fact that his father was there for post-medical school training. Harrison attended Sacred Heart Cathedral elementary/middle School before Catholic. His dad, Steven Smith, is a graduate of the University of Tennessee. It was a difficult decision for Harrison and his parents to choose anything but Tennessee.
Harrison comes back at least once a year to speak at Sacred Heart, Catholic, and other schools. He has donated tons of money and time to schools in the area. Transplant my a**.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The people at fault when it comes to this are the people in Knoxville who will cheer for these kids when they turn their back on their home state and play for Clemson. Guys like Tee Higgins and Cade Mays should be ostracized for not going to UT. They should feel social pressure to represent their home state. And if they don't wanna do that then get the hell out of Tennessee and never come back.
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Only applies to Tennessee boys, though. Recruits from other Home states feel free to move about with no social repercussions LOL
 
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biggestvols said:
I didn’t start the thread to be about Mays in particular or whether kids should go out of State or City. It’s about a relationship with a coach. You’ve got high schools all over TN that, when they have talent, steer them to TN. It’s that way all over the country. Likewise, there are relationships built with out of state high school coaches that help successfully recruit that schools talent. It doesn’t take much for a high school coach to steer a kids away or towards given their access and influence.

How many kids did TN recruit out of Tuscaloosa even when Bama was way down? Clearly Clemson has built a relationship with Matthews. Knox Catholic, like it or not, has committed to being a top notch private school program and instead of home cooking we are getting sent to KFC.
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Does Clemson have a relationship with Joe Gaddis at Oak Ridge, also?
 
#95
#95
Peer recruiting is Clemson's secret sauce. Next year, Clemson will have five highly recruited players who once wanted to play for UT recruiting against UT. Dabo's just the closer.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
Take off your tin foil hat. This type of entitlement is part of the reason UT has struggled so much the last decade. Catholic has no incentive to send guys only to UT. They do have incentive to send guys to National Championship rosters, which Clemson has produced lately. Additionally, based on the religious makeup of East TN, I'd venture the bulk of Catholic's student population is composed of transplants, so a there likely isn't a huge sense of loyalty around the campus.

UT needs to be better at football and better at recruiting. The coaches need to earn recruits, not just sit back and expect schools like Catholic to hand them over.
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I've had multiple kids go through Catholic. The student population is as much pro-UT as any other high school in the area. There are no more "transplants" at Catholic than at any other Knox county school.
I do certainly agree that UT needs to be better at recruiting. But Matthews has no bigger relationship with Clemson than he does with any other college football program.
The difference is the kids and their families. The vast majority are success driven. Several years ago, in my niece's graduating class at Catholic, there were six classmates who received appointments to the service academies- West Point, Anapolis, and Air Force. That's in a class of 150-ish students. I say that to make a point: the kids at Catholic are attracted to success in all facets, whether it be sports, service, or academics.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
Our program is second to none. The problem has been incompetence in coaching and management.

Tennessee is a Ferrari being driven by a drunk blind man.
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It was that way for sure. Let us hope we are moving beyond that. Time is of the essence at the moment because of the coaching carousel and combined with the early signing period. Then our coaching search took some time so UT is at a bit of disadvantage. I think we'll be alright come signing time in Febuary.
 
#100
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The people at fault when it comes to this are the people in Knoxville who will cheer for these kids when they turn their back on their home state and play for Clemson. Guys like Tee Higgins and Cade Mays should be ostracized for not going to UT. They should feel social pressure to represent their home state. And if they don't wanna do that then get the hell out of Tennessee and never come back.
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ummmm... their kids. That is about the dumbest thing You have said (recently at least)
 
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