KY loses 8 players--will the Vols take over the East?

#251
#251
getyopopcornready said:
That's mostly true. But one year of Wall/Bledsoe and one year of Knight/Lamb and one year of Teague/Gilchrist sure beats the hell out of 3 years of Hopson/Tatum.
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Well, both teams made the elite 8, so there is at least an argument there. At least we aren't having to recruit a complete new team every year. I would rather have a talented junior or senior than a talented freshman every time.
 
#252
#252
BasketvolsFan said:
Well, both teams made the elite 8, so there is at least an argument there. At least we aren't having to recruit a complete new team every year. I would rather have a talented junior or senior than a talented freshman every time.
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I'd rather have talented juniors and seniors and just add talented freshmen in the mix.
 
#254
#254
Harris will be our most talented player, but there will be talent across the board. I would not crown this team as a championship team yet, but we should be in the mix.
 
#255
#255
Orangekush423 said:
So its not just a "verbal" commitment???? I'm real confused now. I thought the "no LOI" situation was as simple as the player was verbally commited but hadn't signed yet. Please explain how its different????
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No, its more than a verbal committment. Knight signed a financial aid offer with UK, instead of the LOI. Meaning, he has committed himself to attend the University of Kentucky and has been accepted (and will accept aid from UK in the form of a scholarship), but not bound by the LOI to play basketball at that one school. Its obviously easier to get out of than an LOI, but its not like a verbal where you can just walk out for no reason. Basically, Knight found the loophole. (one that will probably soon dissapear). Obviously once he bounces the first ball, it will be in concrete like any other player.

what it comes down to (between the LOI and the Financial aid offer), is that should Knight decide that UK is not the place to play (as he might if Cal left for the NBA), he can have more wiggle room to get his release.

Another big point of emphasis, is that the financial aid offer states that he cannot receive financial aid from an SEC school within the next two years. (i.e a scholarship)

Does this help clear it up? or are you more confused? :)
 
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#256
#256
Why would he not be considered a walk-on player? McBee is a walk-on at UT, but he receives financial aid to attend the university. Are walk-on players not allowed to leave and play for another school since they are not on an athletic scholarship?
 
#257
#257
BasketvolsFan said:
Why would he not be considered a walk-on player? McBee is a walk-on at UT, but he receives financial aid to attend the university. Are walk-on players not allowed to leave and play for another school since they are not on an athletic scholarship?
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This is the NCAA bylaw concerning transfers of this nature. Read it and see what conclusion you come up with.


14.5.5.2.9 Nonrecruited Student Exception.

The student transfers to the certifying institution, and
the following conditions are met:

(a) The student-athlete was not recruited by the certifying institution (per Bylaw 13.02.12.1);

(b) No athletically related financial assistance has been received by the student-athlete; and

(c) The student-athlete has not competed for any previous institution and has not engaged in other
countable athletically related activities in intercollegiate athletics beyond a 14-consecutive-day period
at any previous institution.


14.5.5.2.10 One-Time Transfer Exception.

14.5.5.2.10.1 Nonrecruited Student.

A student-athlete who does not qualify for the exception
due to Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10-

(a) may use the one-time transfer exception, provided he or she was not recruited by the original four-year institution and has never received institutional athletically related financial aid from any four-year institution.
 
#258
#258
Hardwood_fanatic said:
This is the NCAA bylaw concerning transfers of this nature. Read it and see what conclusion you come up with.


14.5.5.2.9 Nonrecruited Student Exception.

The student transfers to the certifying institution, and
the following conditions are met:

(a) The student-athlete was not recruited by the certifying institution (per Bylaw 13.02.12.1);

(b) No athletically related financial assistance has been received by the student-athlete; and

(c) The student-athlete has not competed for any previous institution and has not engaged in other
countable athletically related activities in intercollegiate athletics beyond a 14-consecutive-day period
at any previous institution.


14.5.5.2.10 One-Time Transfer Exception.

14.5.5.2.10.1 Nonrecruited Student.

A student-athlete who does not qualify for the exception
due to Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10-

(a) may use the one-time transfer exception, provided he or she was not recruited by the original four-year institution and has never received institutional athletically related financial aid from any four-year institution.
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"Athletically related financial aid" being the key words. I'm at a loss why it seems to be so hard for some to grasp that an LOI and an athletic scholarship are two distinctly different things.
 
#260
#260
hatvol96 said:
"Athletically related financial aid" being the key words. I'm at a loss why it seems to be so hard for some to grasp that an LOI and an athletic scholarship are two distinctly different things.
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It is not hard to understand regarding an LOI and athletic scholarship. What I was referring to was the lack of an LOI and receiving aid from a university, but not an athletic scholarship. If he receives an academic scholarship, as an example, is he free to transfer anywhere he wishes because he is not receiving "athletically related financial aid"? It was my understanding that he was not going to receive an athletic scholarship, but was receiving other financial aid to attend the university.
 
#261
#261
Hardwood_fanatic said:
No, its more than a verbal committment. Knight signed a financial aid offer with UK, instead of the LOI. Meaning, he has committed himself to attend the University of Kentucky and has been accepted (and will accept aid from UK in the form of a scholarship), but not bound by the LOI to play basketball at that one school. Its obviously easier to get out of than an LOI, but its not like a verbal where you can just walk out for no reason. Basically, Knight found the loophole. (one that will probably soon dissapear). Obviously once he bounces the first ball, it will be in concrete like any other player.

what it comes down to (between the LOI and the Financial aid offer), is that should Knight decide that UK is not the place to play (as he might if Cal left for the NBA), he can have more wiggle room to get his release.

Another big point of emphasis, is that the financial aid offer states that he cannot receive financial aid from an SEC school within the next two years. (i.e a scholarship)

Does this help clear it up? or are you more confused? :)
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Gotcha! Thanks much, I was confused, now I got it. Like u said, that hole will be gone should he decide to go elsewhere. Possibly even if he doesn't, depends on how much coverage it gets.(If any)
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#262
#262
> "athletically related financial aid"

Hmmm ... I wonder if I could have transferred since my music scholarship was paid for by the athletic department? :)
 
#263
#263
Since KY has signed Jones, will they now become the favorite to win the SEC next season? Can TN or anyone else challenge them for the championship? Cal has re-loaded, but is still not at the talent level of last year.
 
#264
#264
BasketvolsFan said:
Since KY has signed Jones, will they now become the favorite to win the SEC next season? Can TN or anyone else challenge them for the championship? Cal has re-loaded, but is still not at the talent level of last year.
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It's a 3 headed monster in the East right now. With UGA close behind. I wouldn't be surprised to see any of those 4 teams win the east next year.
 
#265
#265
Bruce Pearl now picks Fla. to win the East and says the talent level they have is far superior to anyone else. Could KY finish 3rd or even 4th in the east next year, or will freshmen talent continue to dominate the SEC and nation?
 
#266
#266
BasketvolsFan said:
Bruce Pearl now picks Fla. to win the East and says the talent level they have is far superior to anyone else. Could KY finish 3rd or even 4th in the east next year, or will freshmen talent continue to dominate the SEC and nation?
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Florida may finish 3rd or 4th in the East next year. I think there's a better chance it's still UK-UT next season. Why wouldn't Bruce hype up UF?
 
#269
#269
He's said that since being in at UT. Every one knows KY is the team you are trying to emulate for success in the SEC. Florida may be better next year, but I really don't see their talent as head and shoulders above anyone else. Just wonder why Pearl would be touting them as favorites.
 
#270
#270
BasketvolsFan said:
He's said that since being in at UT. Every one knows KY is the team you are trying to emulate for success in the SEC. Florida may be better next year, but I really don't see their talent as head and shoulders above anyone else. Just wonder why Pearl would be touting them as favorites.
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He's only saying this because they have the most talent and experience returning in the SEC.
 
#271
#271
I would think it is very questionable that they have the most talent returning of any team in the SEC. They do have experience, but we also have experience returning and signed a top five player.
 
#272
#272
On paper they are. Although I think they'll fall on their face under pressure. Probably what he's thinking, hence the pick.
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#273
#273
Who in the SEC has more returning talent than Florida? Still doesn't mean they won't fail miserably like every other year, but they do look good on paper.
 
#274
#274
Who would you trade from our team for Florida players? We also have experience returning.
Williams, Hopson, Tatum, Goins, Bone, Wooldridge, McBee all have experience playing in the SEC, not to mention Pearl.
 
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