KY loses 8 players--will the Vols take over the East?

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BasketvolsFan said:
He's the first player that I've heard of that didn't sign a letter of intent. It appears that he could leave at any time and go to another school. Does any one know how moving would affect him with no LOI? Do NCAA rules even address this?
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not having a LOI would have no effect on Knight going elsewhere if he chooses to do so. basically he's got Kentucky to promise him a scholarship if he goes there but there's nothing binding him to actually go to college there.

the NCAA hasn't addressed this kind of situation before.
 
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swampy said:
not having a LOI would have no effect on Knight going elsewhere if he chooses to do so. basically he's got Kentucky to promise him a scholarship if he goes there but there's nothing binding him to actually go to college there.

the NCAA hasn't addressed this kind of situation before.
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So if Bledsole came back, he could decide to go elsewhere and KY would have no hold on him. Wonder why KY would agree to take him under these circumstances?
 
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swampy said:
there's a reason why Knight didn't sign a LOI. Bledsoe coming back would probably cause him to strongly consider not going to Kentucky. Bledsoe and Wall's games could coexist together because they get most of their offense off driving with the basketball. i don't think Bledsoe and Knight would coexist nearly as well as Knight needs to dominate the ball more and is a much more legitimate outside threat.
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I think it had just as much to do with the thought of Cal leaving UK, as it does Bledsoe coming back. IMO, the odds are more likely for the former than the latter.

Also, its a smart move by the kid. He isn't a multiple academic scholarship finalist for nothing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a trend started here.
 
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I was thinking the same thing, as far as a trend. If he played a year and then decided to go elsewhere, assuming Cal left, as example, would the NCAA have a say in his leaving with no LOI? If not, this could create a new trend for many elite players.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
I was thinking the same thing, as far as a trend. If he played a year and then decided to go elsewhere, assuming Cal left, as example, would the NCAA have a say in his leaving with no LOI? If not, this could create a new trend for many elite players.
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To my understanding, the LOI is only binding upon the player before entering college. Once the player has played a year of college basketball, he is a scholarship player for that university. He cannot transfer anywhere without sitting out a year. (unless granted a waiver by the NCAA for extrenuating circumstances).

Not sure if thats what you were asking. If Cal were to leave after Knights freshmen year, Knight could ask for and be granted a transfer. But he would still have to sit a year out, just like everyone else.

The trend I'm thinking of, is all of the high profile recruits looking to keep their options open. Color me surprised if the NCAA doesn't find a way to stop this in the next year or two.
 
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How are you a scholarship player without signing a scholarship? Also, is KY now finished for this year after Johnson picked Washington? There is no one else out there of high status for the Cats to sign. They are not going to look very strong in the post game next year. This would appear to be one of the hazards of signing so many one and done players each year.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
How are you a scholarship player without signing a scholarship? Also, is KY now finished for this year after Johnson picked Washington? There is no one else out there of high status for the Cats to sign. They are not going to look very strong in the post game next year. This would appear to be one of the hazards of signing so many one and done players each year.
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Well, Jones to Washington isn't a done deal. He didn't sign his LOI and has publicly stated that he is reevaluating his decision. Some have leaked that he actually gave a verbal to UK before announcing and changed his mind literally at the last moment. Which is what prompted him to call Calipari (NOT the other way around) after it happened. That recruitment isn't over yet.

As for the LOI, I'm not 100% certain, though I'm sure Hat or a few others could clear it up. But to my understanding, the LOI and the scholarship are two different things. The LOI is merely a binding letter saying that he WILL play for that school. Unless he is planning on paying for his own tuition as a walk-on, he is going to have to sign the scholarship offer at some point.

The whole "financial aid" thing he signed was merely to keep his options open UNTIL its time to lace em' up.

Just my opinion.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Well, Jones to Washington isn't a done deal. He didn't sign his LOI and has publicly stated that he is reevaluating his decision. Some have leaked that he actually gave a verbal to UK before announcing and changed his mind literally at the last moment. Which is what prompted him to call Calipari (NOT the other way around) after it happened. That recruitment isn't over yet.

As for the LOI, I'm not 100% certain, though I'm sure Hat or a few others could clear it up. But to my understanding, the LOI and the scholarship are two different things. The LOI is merely a binding letter saying that he WILL play for that school. Unless he is planning on paying for his own tuition as a walk-on, he is going to have to sign the scholarship offer at some point.

The whole "financial aid" thing he signed was merely to keep his options open UNTIL its time to lace em' up.

Just my opinion.
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You're correct. The LOI has nothing to do with the actual financial aid portion of the scholarship. I've said it here before, I'll say it again. It's stupid as Hell for any elite prospect to sign an LOI.
 
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So its not just a "verbal" commitment???? I'm real confused now. I thought the "no LOI" situation was as simple as the player was verbally commited but hadn't signed yet. Please explain how its different????
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Cal has confirmed that Orden and Bledsoe will not return as both are likely to be first rounders. If the Cats are finished in recruiting, where does this leave them for next season?
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Cal has confirmed that Orden and Bledsoe will not return as both are likely to be first rounders. If the Cats are finished in recruiting, where does this leave them for next season?
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Thin in the frount court. They will be fine in the back court though. Outside of Kanter, they will not have a big man.
 
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They will have a much weaker team than this season. Cal may actually have to try to coach next year as he will not be more talented than every one he plays.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
FYI, the Terrance Jones sweepstakes isn't over yet.
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Jones is a great player. But honestly, I don't think that will fill solve all your issues for next season. It would definitely give your squad more options, but you guys need a banger down there. Like a Joey Dorsey, Patrick Patterson, Demarcus Cousins type. Knight and Lamb can do enough of the slashing and shooting.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Jones is a great player. But honestly, I don't think that will fill solve all your issues for next season. It would definitely give your squad more options, but you guys need a banger down there. Like a Joey Dorsey, Patrick Patterson, Demarcus Cousins type. Knight and Lamb can do enough of the slashing and shooting.
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Yeah, I know. I was simply throwing that out there for the poster that assumed UK recruiting was finished for this class. But Jones is 6'8" and at least provides someone to get down there if need be.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Yeah, I know. I was simply throwing that out there for the poster that assumed UK recruiting was finished for this class. But Jones is 6'8" and at least provides someone to get down there if need be.
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There are few options left now. If he stays with Washington, as most expect, KY will have to settle on a player they don't really want just to add bodies to the post position.
 
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I think KY's situation is a result of one and done players and proves it is not the way to go in maintaining an elite program. Even the great recruiter Cal can't pull off a coup every year.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Yeah, I know. I was simply throwing that out there for the poster that assumed UK recruiting was finished for this class. But Jones is 6'8" and at least provides someone to get down there if need be.
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True. Either way. I like the Williams/Harris vs. Kanter/Jones more than the Williams/Chism vs. Patterson/Cousins matchup.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
I think KY's situation is a result of one and done players and proves it is not the way to go in maintaining an elite program. Even the great recruiter Cal can't pull off a coup every year.
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That's mostly true. But one year of Wall/Bledsoe and one year of Knight/Lamb and one year of Teague/Gilchrist sure beats the hell out of 3 years of Hopson/Tatum.
 
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Hey HF, can you please explain the Knight situation with regars to my post on the last page????
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