Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

[newyorkvol]

Another riot could really work against Biden since he was kinda running on

"returning America back to normal"

Since everything he's done has been abnormal, if people see the same discord they saw under Trump then they may grow more sour on señor dementia.

Maybe they use it to embolden their further dismantling of America

Maybe it hurts them

Maybe those who are in charge, Biden's puppet masters, call the doggies off

My cynical guess is that the dogs won’t be called off, but there will be much more open acceptance of state and federal help, ie national guard.

 

[Sandman 423]

Most honest man speaking truth on primetime TV at night.

That isn't saying much.

 

[volinbham]

Apparently the jury wants to view video. They’re now arguing how many times and the process of going about it. Doubtful that there’s a verdict today.

is it the HD video they want or to rehash other video they've already seen.

 

[TheDeeble]

Well Tucker says it, you know its true. Right?

What protections does a juror have? if I were on the jury I wouldn't be concerned about the mob rioting in the city. I'd be concerned about a mob assaulting me for not voting the way they want me to.

 

[Caculator]

KENOSHA, WI—Moments before reading the verdict, the twelve jurors in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse asked if the defendant would please step outside and defend the courthouse.

from the bee

 

[volinbham]

What protections does a juror have? if I were on the jury I wouldn't be concerned about the mob rioting in the city. I'd be concerned about a mob assaulting me for not voting the way they want me to.

yep - it's not altruism to protect the city; it's self-defense to protect your life. Of course Binger will come along and say the jury was provoking the angry mob and has no right to self defense...

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

That isn't saying much.

He's one reason that other cable news networks have tanked to the bottom in their ratings.

 

[rjd970]

The group in power never riots. It is always those that feel powerless that riot.

When one side can get the other cancelled, silenced, fired, marginalized, ect…they are the ones doing the oppressing and have the power. Sorry to break that to you.

 

[Vol8188]

No it doesn’t “just” show that. Oversimplifying things to fit your predetermined opinions is just your thing, isn’t it?

You realize she can’t just decline to prosecute, right? Victims aren’t entitled to drop cases because they feel like it. It’s always annoying to have DV victims who show up and try to do that. The prosecutor’s first obligation is supposed to be to the community. They can subpoena her and use other forms of leverage to get her to court. They often will if there is a credible prior statement and good evidence that corroborates the events described in the prior statement. At the very least, they maintain the charge and use threat of trial with her as an uncooperative witness as leverage against him.

So if this sentence isn’t a result of what actually happened, it’s the result of the prosecutor trying to leverage the available evidence of rape against a defendant that’s stuck in jail into the toughest sentence he can get and the best he could do was… “go home today?”

Must have been a slam dunk case.

You’re really good at typing a lot to say nothing. So we agree one of the reasons they didn’t push forward with sexual assault charges is that the woman stopped responding to police requests? I mean that’s 100% what has been reported so idk how you could argue against that.

Rape is rarely a slam dunk case. Without her participation, they clearly decided to just accept a plea deal.

Now to the question you ignored…do we agree rape is often hard to prosecute and often women do not come forward in rape cases? If so, then we must agree that it’s still very possible Jacob blake is in fact a rapist

 

[RockyTop85]

he plead down to avoid the sexual assault charge, correct?

I don’t think that makes sense.

The rape was already charged and it takes two parties to agree to a plea. What prosecutor is going to dismiss a viable charge with “rape” in the title to get a conviction on a domestic assault and disorderly conduct for 2 years probation?

So there’s some reason for the reduction, which means the plea is still a reflection of the comparative bargaining strength of both parties in the negotiation. Blake was stuck in jail so his bargaining position was weak. The prosecutor can typically stall and get more jail time.

The plea is more consistent with “I want to go home” than it is with “I’m actually a rapist.”

I guess people can insist that he’s a rapist under some “guilty until proven innocent” theory, but my recollection from the Kavanaugh threads is that that type of behavior was reserved to the leftists and was frowned upon by everybody else. That type of insistence would definitely make complaints the injustice of trying a guy who is on film killing two people seem pretty inconsistent, which was the whole point of bringing it up.

 

[volinbham]

When one side can get the other cancelled, silenced, fired, marginalized, ect…they are the ones doing the oppressing and have the power. Sorry to break that to you.

i'm still struggling to understand who the groups are here? is it race? is it political leaning? other?

I guess CWV is arguing that on Jan 6 the Trump voters were the powerless and oppressed so its only natural they would riot?

 

[Vol8188]

I don’t think that makes sense.

The rape was already charged and it takes two parties to agree to a plea. What prosecutor is going to dismiss a viable charge with “rape” in the title to get a conviction on a domestic assault and disorderly conduct for 2 years probation?

So there’s some reason for the reduction, which means the plea is still a reflection of the comparative bargaining strength of both parties in the negotiation. Blake was stuck in jail so his bargaining position was weak. The prosecutor can typically stall and get more jail time.

The plea is more consistent with “I want to go home” than it is with “I’m actually a rapist.”

I guess people can insist that he’s a rapist under some “guilty until proven innocent” theory, but my recollection from the Kavanaugh threads is that that type of behavior was reserved to the leftists and was frowned upon by everybody else. That type of insistence would definitely make complaints the injustice of trying a guy who is on film killing two people seem pretty inconsistent, which was the whole point of bringing it up.

You still hiding from defending your claims of why this case should have went to trial? I can bump my response again if needed

 

[Vol8188]

So you can’t claim I’m strawmaning I’ll quote and respond to each part of this weak argument
1. Yes
2. Should have never went to a grand jury due to insufficient evidence
3. Media doesn’t get to determine outcomes, that’s called mob justice
4. Yes
5. Yes

Then the rest is the part I already addressed. It’s absurd to claim we should take something to trial so a moron doesn’t assume guilt. It’s unnecessary added burden on an obviously innocent individual based on all available evidence.

Can you name any piece of evidence that runs counter to his self defense claim? If so, then maybe you can make a case for why the case should’ve went to trial. But “the media cover it” or “morons” are neither valid reasons. Nor is “he killed someone”.

Bump

 

[NEO]

Like the people who yelled hang Mike Pence?

Don’t think anyone should be allowed to verbally yell “hang em.”

Did you expect me to think otherwise?

 

[RockyTop85]

1. You’re really good at typing a lot to say nothing.
2. So we agree one of the reasons they didn’t push forward with sexual assault charges is that the woman stopped responding to police requests? I mean that’s 100% what has been reported so idk how you could argue against that.

Rape is rarely a slam dunk case. Without her participation, they clearly decided to just accept a plea deal.

Now to the question you ignored…do we agree rape is often hard to prosecute and often women do not come forward in rape cases? If so, then we must agree that it’s still very possible Jacob blake is in fact a rapist

1. Strawman. Again. How surprising.
2. Still jumping to unwarranted assumptions, as I explained in the post you just responded to.

That’s enough childish bad faith arguments from you. You’re in timeout. You can come out when you’ve shown you can can do better.

You still hiding from defending your claims of why this case should have went to trial? I can bump my response again if needed

I explained my position pretty thoroughly, yesterday. I’ve yet to see a good faith response from you that makes me think further explanation is warranted, and yes, I’ve read the post you keep bumping.

 

[Septic]

can't imagine 12 votes for guilty. hung or acquittal.

How many charges? I admittedly don't know what the nuts and bolts are of the counts, did the DA go balls deep for murder or were there lesser charges for like involuntary manslaughter?

 

[volinbham]

How many charges? I admittedly know what the nuts and bolts are of the counts, did the DA go balls deep for murder or were there lesser charges for like involuntary manslaughter?

5 I believe. 2 are murder, 1 is some type of endangerment for shooting the now one-armed guy and 2 are for firing his gun (the bullets that missed) and the danger that caused.

If I understood the judge correctly, if you buy the self defense all are out the window but I suppose it's feasible that of the 3 encounters all might not be considered self defense?

 

[Septic]

5 I believe. 2 are murder, 1 is some type of endangerment for shooting the now one-armed guy and 2 are for firing his gun (the bullets that missed) and the danger that caused.

If I understood the judge correctly, if you buy the self defense all are out the window but I suppose it's feasible that of the 3 encounters all might not be considered self defense?

Thanks - having no learned knowledge about the intricacies - I'm going to go with 'ng' for the murder(s) and a guilty on one of the lesser charges.

I'll wager it all, Alex.

 

[RockyTop85]

How many charges? I admittedly don't know what the nuts and bolts are of the counts, did the DA go balls deep for murder or were there lesser charges for like involuntary manslaughter?

Lesser offenses are generally included in a charge like murder. You can still get convicted of manslaughter, depending on how it’s defined, if you’re charged with 1st Degree Murder, the jury doesn’t find premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt, but finds the other elements.

 

[Septic]

Lesser offenses are generally included in a charge like murder. You can still get convicted of manslaughter, depending on how it’s defined, if you’re charged with 1st Degree Murder, the jury doesn’t find premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt, but finds the other elements.

Thanks, what's your prediction?

 

[RockyTop85]

Thanks, what's your prediction?

Agree with Not guilty or hung jury. Based almost entirely on the prosecutor’s demeanor during the cross of the defendant.

 

[Vollifer1949]

 

[KB5252]

I think it's beginning to look more like a hung jury.

 

[rjd970]

I think it was pretty stupid to go tooling around there with a gun, I also think anybody approaching somebody with a gun with intent to harm said person is stupid.

But by the law (the way I understand it anyway) it should be not guilty on all counts.

All around, it was just a stupid and tragic series of events. It’s like common sense has gone completely out the window.

 

[85SugarVol]

you think if he's found guilty there will be a handful of people that violently riot?

I think there’s a chance that if he’s found guilty that the “celebration” turns violent and they burn the city.