Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t think that makes sense.

The rape was already charged and it takes two parties to agree to a plea. What prosecutor is going to dismiss a viable charge with “rape” in the title to get a conviction on a domestic assault and disorderly conduct for 2 years probation?

So there’s some reason for the reduction, which means the plea is still a reflection of the comparative bargaining strength of both parties in the negotiation. Blake was stuck in jail so his bargaining position was weak. The prosecutor can typically stall and get more jail time.

The plea is more consistent with “I want to go home” than it is with “I’m actually a rapist.”

I guess people can insist that he’s a rapist under some “guilty until proven innocent” theory, but my recollection from the Kavanaugh threads is that that type of behavior was reserved to the leftists and was frowned upon by everybody else. That type of insistence would definitely make complaints the injustice of trying a guy who is on film killing two people seem pretty inconsistent, which was the whole point of bringing it up.
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My guess is the woman wasn't a reliable witness and they got what they could. He probably took it because probation beats the heck out of possible jail time any day.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You think if he's guilty they riot in celebration: if not guilty they riot in protest.

I'm detecting a pattern.
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I hope that if he goes free, someone "gives" Kyle a ar-15 and he hit's the streets to protect his "community" some more.

Not because I think it'd be remotely good idea, just for the lulz.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You think if he's guilty they riot in celebration: if not guilty they riot in protest.

I'm detecting a pattern.
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You ever seen footage of a city in flames after the home team won a championship?

Wonder if that’s ever happened…
 
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Septic said:
How many charges? I admittedly don't know what the nuts and bolts are of the counts, did the DA go balls deep for murder or were there lesser charges for like involuntary manslaughter?
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I think they have a lot of choices. It seems like if the DA would have gone for something like involuntary manslaughter he would of had a better case.
 
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Democrat Rep. Cori Bush: If Kyle Rittenhouse Acquitted, White Supremacists ‘Can Shoot at Us’

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Rep. Cori Bush (D-MO) believes that if 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse gets acquitted on the grounds of self-defense, white supremacists will be emboldened to shoot at Black Lives Matter protesters.

Cori Bush: If Rittenhouse Walks, White Supremacists 'Can Shoot at Us'
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Lesser offenses are generally included in a charge like murder. You can still get convicted of manslaughter, depending on how it’s defined, if you’re charged with 1st Degree Murder, the jury doesn’t find premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt, but finds the other elements.
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Is it normal for the lesser charges to be added at or near the end of the trial? Also, doesn’t the addition of the lesser charges signal that the prosecution is not confident in their case?
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I think they have a lot of choices. It seems like if the DA would have gone for something like involuntary manslaughter he would of had an better case.
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The ADA seemed like he learned law at a community college or one of those strip mall night class law degree mills.

Every video clip looked like he was either getting tripped up and schooled by the judge or Kyle himself.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
My guess is the woman wasn't a reliable witness and they got what they could. He probably took it because probation beats the heck out of possible jail time any day.
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And because going home today beats going home in 15 months, likely going home in 15 months, and possibly going home in 15 months.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
1. Strawman. Again. How surprising.
2. Still jumping to unwarranted assumptions, as I explained in the post you just responded to.

That’s enough childish bad faith arguments from you. You’re in timeout. You can come out when you’ve shown you can can do better.



I explained my position pretty thoroughly, yesterday. I’ve yet to see a good faith response from you that makes me think further explanation is warranted, and yes, I’ve read the post you keep bumping.
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So you refuse to defend your argument? That’s weak
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Democrat Rep. Cori Bush: If Kyle Rittenhouse Acquitted, White Supremacists ‘Can Shoot at Us’

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Rep. Cori Bush (D-MO) believes that if 18-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse gets acquitted on the grounds of self-defense, white supremacists will be emboldened to shoot at Black Lives Matter protesters.

Cori Bush: If Rittenhouse Walks, White Supremacists 'Can Shoot at Us'
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If the Congress weren't full of incompetent idiots she would be "special" but sadly she is probably of average intelligence
 
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825VOL said:
Is it normal for the lesser charges to be added at or near the end of the trial? Also, doesn’t the addition of the lesser charges signal that the prosecution is not confident in their case?
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What constitutes a lesser offense is a known quantity. I imagine judges keep a list since they have to get them all into the instructions.

So nothing is really being “added” per se, it’s just whatever you are charged with comes with a known bevy of lesser included offenses.

So like in Tennessee if you’re charged with first degree murder then second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, reckless homicide, aggravated assault, and assault will always be lesser included offenses. I’m sure there are others but it’s basically anything where all of the elements are included in the higher charge.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
What constitutes a lesser offense is a known quantity. I imagine judges keep a list since they have to get them all into the instructions.

So nothing is really being “added” per se, it’s just whatever you are charged with comes with a known bevy of lesser included offenses.

So like in Tennessee if you’re charged with first degree murder then second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, reckless homicide, aggravated assault, and assault will always be lesser included offenses. I’m sure there are others but it’s basically anything where all of the elements are included in the higher charge.
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Thanks for the response
 
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Septic said:
The ADA seemed like he learned law at a community college or one of those strip mall night class law degree mills.

Every video clip looked like he was either getting tripped up and schooled by the judge or Kyle himself.
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They’re saying the DA is no fool and didn’t want anything to do with this case (apparently has further career aspirations) - dumped it on the ADA.
 
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85SugarVol said:
They’re saying the DA is no fool and didn’t want anything to do with this case (apparently has further career aspirations) - dumped it on the ADA.
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That seems 100% plausible, but if I was running against that dude for any office I’d have Binger’s Tucker Carlson face, from when the Judge was screaming at him, in all of my ads to remind people that he was in charge of this.
 
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The jury requested to see the video. Everyone agreed they will watch it in the courtroom (emptied), but the defense is attempting to keep out the drone footage and limit the jury to seeing each video to only time. The prosecution says they should see it as many times as they like.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You think if he's guilty they riot in celebration: if not guilty they riot in protest.

I'm detecting a pattern.
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But you didn't detect a pattern in all the "peaceful protests" where people were killed, beaten, and cities burned? I'll give you that republicans have plenty of issues, but most of you on the left are such hypocrites it's hilarious.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think it was pretty stupid to go tooling around there with a gun, I also think anybody approaching somebody with a gun with intent to harm said person is stupid.

But by the law (the way I understand it anyway) it should be not guilty on all counts.

All around, it was just a stupid and tragic series of events. It’s like common sense has gone completely out the window.
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It would've been a lot more stupid to go without one. Rittenhouse would probably be dead.

Agreed not guilty.

Eh, we got some good out of it. Dead pedophiles and women beaters.
 
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