Lakers/Vols Knecht-ion

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Basilio’s not a Bronny fan and didn’t hold back.

ESPN.Com's lead story Saturday was the Summer League debut of the Lakers and Bronny James. Dalton Knecht got some love in the headline because they have to at least make it look good for TV. Bronny simply stinks at basketball. He'll easily be the worst player in the league once he's named to the Lakers roster. No offense, but he stinks. And so does the rest of that team that's around Knecht in Summer basketball. The media feigning surprise and disappointment in Bronny's showing Saturday is comical. The guys doing the game on TV were talking about how Bronny's sub standard college stats don't tell the whole story. They were literally apologizing on air for him while the game was going on and telling us we weren't seeing what we were seeing.
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Bronny is a 6 1 shooting guard that has shown he cant shoot against low end P5 competition and in the summer league.

He tries defensively and is a smart player. Right now, he does not have the lateral quickness to guard summer league 1s and is too small to guard anyone over 6 4.

He really needs reps in the G League where he can consistenly work on his shot in game situations. If he can develop into a 40%ish 3P shooter, he could eventually carve out a De'Anthony Melton lite type role once his body matures some. He's not going to get that at the end of the bench....
 
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tev.sm said:
Knecht up to 20 pts on 7-14 FG, 2-5 from 3… Lakers down 1, 58-59 at end of 3Q.

I’d be surprised if DK’s Summer League teammates get contracts with an NBA team because they’ve all played god-awful offensively.
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Castleton has some skill and might catch on with an NBA team as an end of the bench player. Kuhse plays okay against this level, but I’m not seeing anything beyond that.

DK has a very high ceiling IMO.

Beyond that, this Lakers summer league team is really bad. REALLY bad.

Bronny underperformed against college players. He has no business playing pro ball. LeBron actually is doing him no favors.
 
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EZE said:
Bronny underperformed against college players. He has no business playing pro ball. LeBron actually is doing him no favors.
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Multi-million $ multi-year contract isn't a favor? Y'all are wild with these Bronny takes. People forget this is entertainment and Bronny is bringing all the eyeballs. He's probably already earned his NBA contract.

Not a single scout cares what happened during Bronny's rookie year on the heels of a heart attack.

Bronny probably won't make it in the league because shooting 35% from 3p is hard, but that's literally all he needs to do to have a 10-yr career.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Multi-million $ multi-year contract isn't a favor? Y'all are wild with these Bronny takes. People forget this is entertainment and Bronny is bringing all the eyeballs. He's probably already earned his NBA contract.

Not a single scout cares what happened during Bronny's rookie year on the heels of a heart attack.

Bronny probably won't make it in the league because shooting 35% from 3p is hard, but that's literally all he needs to do to have a 10-yr career.
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The one thing that bothers me about the Bronny TV Show is that the James empire has never disclosed the nature of the congenital heart problem. Here is a chance to help others unaware that they may have the same thing, but it’s kept secret like it contains the nuclear launch codes. Unless there really wasn’t a congenital heart problem…
 
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ZZ13 said:
The one thing that bothers me about the Bronny TV Show is that the James empire has never disclosed the nature of the congenital heart problem. Here is a chance to help others unaware that they may have the same thing, but it’s kept secret like it contains the nuclear launch codes. Unless there really wasn’t a congenital heart problem…
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Norms dictate we respect people's medical privacy but I guess the James family doesn't get that treatment.

You really think a bunch of 16 year olds are gonna go get checked out for heart problem X because Bronny said it's what he has? You have to have symptoms and get a referral and then the specialist will tell you what you have, regardless of what you know about from Bronny.
 
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ZZ13 said:
The one thing that bothers me about the Bronny TV Show is that the James empire has never disclosed the nature of the congenital heart problem. Here is a chance to help others unaware that they may have the same thing, but it’s kept secret like it contains the nuclear launch codes. Unless there really wasn’t a congenital heart problem…
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We don’t need to know any details of his heart condition beyond what they choose to reveal. For us it’s sufficient to know that USC and the Lakers found his treatment to be satisfactory enough to let him play. Even pressure from Lebron wouldn’t be enough to make those teams take the risk that he could die on the court.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Norms dictate we respect people's medical privacy but I guess the James family doesn't get that treatment.

You really think a bunch of 16 year olds are gonna go get checked out for heart problem X because Bronny said it's what he has? You have to have symptoms and get a referral and then the specialist will tell you what you have, regardless of what you know about from Bronny.
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Lots and lots and lots of people have gotten to things early because friends (or just reading others experiences) have told them about their medical experiences, leading them to realize something going on they considered irrelevant was actually an indicator of something more serious.
 
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ZZ13 said:
Lots and lots and lots of people have gotten to things early because friends (or just reading others experiences) have told them about their medical experiences, leading them to realize something going on they considered irrelevant was actually an indicator of something more serious.
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Yeah, and we already learned that lesson from Bronny, too...if you have a heart attack, go get checked out.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, and we already learned that lesson from Bronny, too...if you have a heart attack, go get checked out.
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We didn’t learn any lesson from Bronny on how to detect and prevent a potential cardiac event. That lesson you mentioned was learned hundreds of years ago.

Anyway it’s nothing more than my personal view. Back to regular programming.
 
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ZZ13 said:
The one thing that bothers me about the Bronny TV Show is that the James empire has never disclosed the nature of the congenital heart problem. Here is a chance to help others unaware that they may have the same thing, but it’s kept secret like it contains the nuclear launch codes. Unless there really wasn’t a congenital heart problem…
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They said it was a heart defect that was previously unknown and that it was corrected with surgery. I'm not really sure what else they could full disclose. I mean I guess they could go into detail what the defect was but I'm not really sure how that would help. From what I understand it was never detected through regular screenings because he had no symptoms.

I really don't know what kind of education they could pass along. If you feel fine and exercise and stress doesn't cause you any symptoms, and then one day it stops, I don't know really what you can do about it. His sounds like situation you don't know until something bad happens. It's not like that's unheard of in otherwise finely tuned athletes and normal healthy appearing people.
 
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ZZ13 said:
We didn’t learn any lesson from Bronny on how to detect and prevent a potential cardiac event. That lesson you mentioned was learned hundreds of years ago.

Anyway it’s nothing more than my personal view. Back to regular programming.
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I know. It was a fkn joke. How do you know there is anything to learn? You gotta assume a lot to think the James family is withholding helpful information.
 
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EZE said:
His team won and he played well, so I don’t have a problem with it. Almost all of the articles I’ve seen also give DK his props.

The player that is getting unwarranted attention is B James. It is nauseating.
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It is, but I think the novelty will wear off once the season starts and they get the "they are on the court at the same time" moment over with. Plus football season will be in full swing and will be dominating the sports scene for 4-5 months. We're also in a pretty dead sports period right now until NFL preaseason starts, so I think it's also they're trying to keep eyeballs on ESPN.

For his sake I hope he at least turns out to be a decent player because the same media/social media that's building him up will turn on him in a snap. I won't shed any tears for him, he'll be fine but it still probably won't be fun. I know he just started and it's summer league but they seem like they are bending over backwards to hype his performances which have been pretty underwelming vs. the attention he's getting and the fact it's summer league. Hard to hype up 8 points on 3/14 FG, 0-8 3 point, and that's a game after he scored 3 points.

Also a pet peeve is comments I've seen on people saying people are hating on him and treating him like he was a top 3 pick; well maybe people are "hating" because he's getting more than Top 3 attention and putting up G-League bench numbers. I mean you can't have it both ways, if he's getting that level of attention and not wowing, then he's going to get criticized. It's not his fault, but it comes with the territory.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Multi-million $ multi-year contract isn't a favor? Y'all are wild with these Bronny takes. People forget this is entertainment and Bronny is bringing all the eyeballs. He's probably already earned his NBA contract.

Not a single scout cares what happened during Bronny's rookie year on the heels of a heart attack.

Bronny probably won't make it in the league because shooting 35% from 3p is hard, but that's literally all he needs to do to have a 10-yr career.
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The money that Bronny will make in basketball is peanuts when compared to the family wealth.
 
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pimo1 said:
Not on the Lakers or any other playoff team. If you have rookies starting you're likely not in the playoffs or making it far. Yes there are exceptions to the rule. Knecht was drafted to be a shooter off the bench. If he develops his defense maybe I an couple years he is a starter.. but not likely unless the Lakers are tanking this year or get ravaged by injuries. Whose spot is is gonna take? Russel? Prince? Reeves? Cam Reddish? he is, at this point of his career not better than either of those guys and that's ignoring defense. He is going to have to beat out JHS (the wing they drafted last year at 17) for playing time.

The Lakers very rarely start young guys they put them through the system the first year or two (Caruso, Reeves, THT, JHS) then work them in year 2 or 3. Its been that way forever. Kobe Bryant himself only started 7 of his first 2 years (150 games) before becoming a starter in year 2. This is not a knock on DK if hed been drafted by the Spurs or Pistons or even Hornets he's likely a day 1 starter. But, on a contending team, he is depth as is almost every other rookie drafted. If he is a day one starter or starting more than half the games the Lakers are not making the playoffs. Not because DK is bad but because it means they have a lot of injuries.

That being said maybe JJ changes that? But personnel stuff in LA is above the coach's head for the most part. Even their own staff is chosen by the org. Maybe they have learned that does not work or JJ is the guy they trust to break the mold but not since Phil Jackson has a coach in LA had much say in his staff or personnel.
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Dalton is lighting up the summer league.
 
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Volfan1000 said:
Dalton is lighting up the summer league.
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DK is playing up to his draft position....but lighting it up how? He has played a few decent games and one good one. This is the first game he has had good shooting splits. all his previous games he played good defense and shot not so well.

game 1- 12 points 2 steals on 3-12 shooting 1-4 from 3, 5-9 from the line
game 2- 12 points 2 steals on 3-13 shooting 1-3 from 3, 5-5 from the line
game 3- 20 points 9 rebounds on 7-18 shooting 2-8 from 3, 4-5 from the line
Game4- 25 points 6 rebounds on 9-18 shooting 5-11 from 3 , 2-3 from the line

So in total he has averaged 17points shot 36% from the field 35% from 3 and 73% from the line. Those numbers were helped a ton by yesterday's game his shooting splits were pretty bad before that. That is definitely not lighting it up. Those are not bad numbers for the summer league. In fact, they are good. But, not for the reasons You may think. Players that 'show' out in summer league rarely translate that to regular season minutes. Its like in college football every year a few guys show out in spring practice never to be heard from again. He is doing well and showing he can play, progressing every game.

One thing I have noticed is he looks really good in that Purple and Gold. I think JJ is the best first coach he could possibly have. Being able to pick the brains of JJ, Lebron and funny enough Lemon Daddy is gonna be priceless. JJ and Lebron are just immensely brilliant basketball minds. If he is on the court with Lebron that's a free 5% to his shooting average. I was worried but, he is showing he will not be a complete liability on defense and that above everything else is his way into big minutes. Now if the Lakers can just find a way to trade Russel for a serviceable big man that's Knecht4's path to big minutes (15-20 a game).
 
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pimo1 said:
DK is playing up to his draft position....but lighting it up how? He has played a few decent games and one good one. This is the first game he has had good shooting splits. all his previous games he played good defense and shot not so well.

game 1- 12 points 2 steals on 3-12 shooting 1-4 from 3, 5-9 from the line
game 2- 12 points 2 steals on 3-13 shooting 1-3 from 3, 5-5 from the line
game 3- 20 points 9 rebounds on 7-18 shooting 2-8 from 3, 4-5 from the line
Game4- 25 points 6 rebounds on 9-18 shooting 5-11 from 3 , 2-3 from the line

So in total he has averaged 17points shot 36% from the field 35% from 3 and 73% from the line. Those numbers were helped a ton by yesterday's game his shooting splits were pretty bad before that. That is definitely not lighting it up. Those are not bad numbers for the summer league. In fact, they are good. But, not for the reasons You may think. Players that 'show' out in summer league rarely translate that to regular season minutes. Its like in college football every year a few guys show out in spring practice never to be heard from again. He is doing well and showing he can play, progressing every game.

One thing I have noticed is he looks really good in that Purple and Gold. I think JJ is the best first coach he could possibly have. Being able to pick the brains of JJ, Lebron and funny enough Lemon Daddy is gonna be priceless. JJ and Lebron are just immensely brilliant basketball minds. If he is on the court with Lebron that's a free 5% to his shooting average. I was worried but, he is showing he will not be a complete liability on defense and that above everything else is his way into big minutes. Now if the Lakers can just find a way to trade Russel for a serviceable big man that's Knecht4's path to big minutes (15-20 a game).
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As you pointed out, DK's numbers are improving every time out and I would not be surprised if he is a starter at some point during the 2024-2025 season.
 
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