Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[Grey_pilgrim]

Does anybody know anybody that has had this virus? I work in Healthcare IT. I speak regularly with people in the following areas:

Austin
Houston
Las Vegas
Salt Lake City
Tampa

Nobody I speak with knows anyone that has been impacted. I have friends and acquaintances that have provided third-hand accounts. No real details. Seems strange.

A dr I know had. Went on a cruise before things got crazy. Got back and wasn’t feeling well. He preformed one surgery then tested positive, he and all employees around him quarantined but no one else in the dept tested positive. Could’ve easily been very bad had it spread to others. Luckily we’re pretty protected in surgery with our normal ppe.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Elon is a very smart man, but he’s definitely eccentric to say the least. Don’t know if I’d trust for covid news.

 

[vols40]

Do you suggest we stay shut down until we have a vaccine? Genuinely curious on this. I just don’t see that being possible. We could be years away from that for as much as we know.

He and the rest of the LIA's feel we should remain closed until we can safely turn the keys over to the Senatorial candidate who stands for economic intercourse

 

[Matt2496]

 

[NurseGoodVol]

If your sister gets tested and its negative - would it be ok for her to visit with them ?

Yes, I'd encourage it.

 

[volfanhill]

I though too I had it. Last week, went to a sushi joint that is normally good. No more. They gave me a to-go order of sushi that was epic levels of God-forsaken bad. Guessing it was several days old. Might sue. Considering options there. Explosive D in a toilet paper crisis raises stress to levels that first-world folk should never have to know. Anyway, glad you're OK, man.

Did you get lab confirmation that it was food poisoning?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Right. Next time I get aggravated about any little thing I'll be sure to show up wearing an Anonymous mask, carrying a rifle. I'm sure the Red Hats would love and support that.

I don’t care if you protest with rifles

 

[Offset Eye]

Did you get lab confirmation that it was food poisoning?

Nah, just dealt with it like a red-blooded man in America used to do. Probably lessens my chance of winning a suit against.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Not only are deaths up considerably vs where they are normally across states like NY, MD, MI, etc, but CV deaths only account for 33%-66% of the abnormal increase in deaths. Unless there is some unknown killer out there, we are likely not classifying ENOUGH deaths as CV deaths.

BS.

 

[TennTradition]

BS.

Deaths are not up? The death certificates are fake now too?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

If your sister gets tested and its negative - would it be ok for her to visit with them ?

Yes, I'd encourage it.

 

[vols40]

Deaths are not up? The death certificates are fake now too?

Yes if a death certificate says Covid without a positive test it is fake.

 

[vols40]

BS.

Body counters

 

[TennTradition]

Yes if a death certificate says Covid without a positive test it is fake.

First, that’s just silly.

Second, was it not a death nonetheless?

So, it’s a simple extension. If many more people are dying than typically recorded this time of year in those states, and CV deaths are only a portion of that increase - is it more likely that we are undercounting or overcounting?


I’ll offer the counter-argument. Well, it’s people who are not seeking medical treatment they need and dying because of it. And I do think that’s part of it. But this data is from March 1-April 4. So only a few weeks of lockdown. So I don’t think there’s a strong argument to make that all these deaths are from people not seeking treatment.

Where there exists reasonable medical determination that CV was a cause of death I don’t have a problem classifying that death as probable. I would prefer that list be kept separate - and most states are doing this. I also really hope they are doing blood draws and specimen samples. However, that does not make them fake death certificates.

 

[vols40]

First, that’s just silly.

Second, was it not a death nonetheless?

So, it’s a simple extension. If many more people are dying than typically recorded this time of year in those states, and CV deaths are only a portion of that increase - is it more likely that we are undercounting or overcounting?

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I’ll offer the counter-argument. Well, it’s people who are not seeking medical treatment they need and dying because of it. And I do think that’s part of it. But this data is from March 1-April 4. So only a few weeks of lockdown. So I don’t think there’s a strong argument to make that all these deaths are from people not seeking treatment.

Where there exists reasonable medical determination that CV was a cause of death I don’t have a problem classifying that death as probable. I would prefer that list be kept separate - and most states are doing this. I also really hope they are doing blood draws and specimen samples. However, that does not make them fake death certificates.

Whatever. There's money and politics at play here. Money for hospitals and body counters like you who love to play politics.

 

[TennTradition]

Whatever. There's money and politics at play here. Money for hospitals and body counters like you who love to play politics.

You’re just taking a position based on a worldview that isn’t supported by data. Unless you’re willing to argue these are fake people and they aren’t dying then the data suggest that this idea that CV deaths are being massively over counted just isn’t true. And if you do want to argue they are fake people then offer some proof.

If someone who acknowledges these deaths is a body counter, what does that make someone who doesn’t even honor their life enough to acknowledge it ended?

 

[vols40]

You’re just taking a position based on a worldview that isn’t supported by data. Unless you’re willing to argue these are fake people and they aren’t dying then the data suggest that this idea that CV deaths are being massively over counted just isn’t true. And if you do want to argue they are fake people then offer some proof.

If someone who acknowledges these deaths is a body counter, what does that make someone who doesn’t even honor their life enough to acknowledge it ended?

I'm saying that unless there is a positive test response for Covid then the statement of cause of death being Covid 19 is fake. Unlike you I will not trivialize an individuals death by making ridiculous claims about not honoring their passing.

 

[volfanhill]

This is so silly. If you die from Covid-19 you died from it. Doesn’t matter if you were terminally ill from cancer. This is what got you. If you are terminally ill with cancer and get shot in the head then you were murdered. Not difficult. If you are sick and exhibit signs of Covid and die before they can confirm they are going to chalk it up to that.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Lamo. Funniest part of the report.
...."One reporter covering the protest was accidentally hit in the head with a rifle. (She’s fine but was shocked by the lack of attention to social distancing)."

If I didn't miss my guess is say that's what they were there to specially violate.

 

[TennTradition]

I'm saying that unless there is a positive test response for Covid then the statement of cause of death being Covid 19 is fake. Unlike you I will not trivialize an individuals death by making ridiculous claims about not honoring their passing.

Abnormal deaths exceeded CV deaths over this period. You agreed it was BS. So the only logical conclusion for me to draw from that is that you don’t acknowledge those deaths occurred. That would seem to be a pretty blatant lack of respect for the dead to me - to pretend it didn’t happen. You can argue that you aren’t saying those deaths are fake but that’s incongruent with the agreement with the BS comment. You won’t trivialize their deaths by making statements about them - you’ll just trivialize the by pretending they aren’t happening.

I understand the (secondary) point you are making that you also view the probable cause death certificates as fake. Which is an inappropriate word to use, IMO. They are not fake. Could they be wrong? Maybe. Do they say probable COVID or COVID? They should say probable if there was no test. Why probable? That will matter as well. Will some be wrong? Probably. Does that make them fake? No.

 

[newarkvol]

Nm

 

[vols40]

Abnormal deaths exceeded CV deaths over this period. You agreed it was BS. So the only logical conclusion for me to draw from that is that you don’t acknowledge those deaths occurred. That would seem to be a pretty blatant lack of respect for the dead to me - to pretend it didn’t happen. You can argue that you aren’t saying those deaths are fake but that’s incongruent with the agreement with the BS comment. You won’t trivialize their deaths by making statements about them - you’ll just trivialize the by pretending they aren’t happening.

I understand the (secondary) point you are making that you also view the probable cause death certificates as fake. Which is an inappropriate word to use, IMO. They are not fake. Could they be wrong? Maybe. Do they say probable COVID or COVID? They should say probable if there was no test. Why probable? That will matter as well. Will some be wrong? Probably. Does that make them fake? No.

80 k people died in 2018 from the flu why not say it's the flu? That's right without a test you can't confirm

 

[TennTradition]

80 k people died in 2018 from the flu why not say it's the flu? That's right without a test you can't confirm

How many of those 80k flu deaths had a confirmed test?

 

[vols40]

I do - I'm asking you when you think the shutdown should have begun.

I am in the minority but I say shutting down was not the right thing to do

 

[vols40]

How many of those 80k flu deaths had a confirmed test?

Fair point but you missed the reason I ask. Don't trivialize death. There were 80 k deaths with a vaccine.