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vols40 said:
Fair point but you missed the reason I ask. Don't trivialize death. There were 80 k deaths with a vaccine.
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The answer is 15,620 lab-confirmed flu deaths in the 2017-2018 flu season.

The stated number for that season was 61k (not 80k - 2018-2019 was only 34k so I assume it is 17-18 you are talking about).

It is not trivializing deaths to include on the death certificate Probable COVID. For the record, the CDC is fine with the death certificate listing Flu and COVID when unknown. In fact, it is helpful to do this in order to track the epidemic real time. Death certificates and case histories will be reviewed later.

You have two states that I’m aware of who are even counting these probables - NY and MD. In MD 93 of their 1,140 deaths did not have a positive test. In NY, I do not have an exact number but I estimate it’s about 5,000-7,000 of their 23,780.
 
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TennTradition said:
The answer is 15,620 lab-confirmed flu deaths in the 2017-2018 flu season.

The stated number for that season was 61k (not 80k - 2018-2019 was only 34k so I assume it is 17-18 you are talking about).

It is not trivializing deaths to include on the death certificate Probable COVID. For the record, the CDC is fine with the death certificate listing Flu and COVID when unknown. In fact, it is helpful to do this in order to track the epidemic real time. Death certificates and case histories will be reviewed later.

You have two states that I’m aware of who are even counting these probables - NY and MD. In MD 93 of their 1,140 deaths did not have a positive test. In NY, I do not have an exact number but I estimate it’s about 5,000-7,000 of their 23,780.
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I agree if there was truth in reporting the numbers like you stated the number should be reported separately. But we know that the media has an election to think about
 
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I am beginning to see the wisdom in "open everything back up" camp. The only way to take the oxygen out of the moronic protestors is to give them what they want.
Out of sight, out of mind. And that’s why the next wave is going to be just as bad if not worse. LET It wash through the population.
There’s nothing left to do except reopen everything and let people see it.
Sad times we live in.
 
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newarkvol said:
I am beginning to see the wisdom in "open everything back up" camp. The only way to take the oxygen out of the moronic protestors is to give them what they want.
Out of sight, out of mind. And that’s why the next wave is going to be just as bad if not worse. LET It wash through the population.
There’s nothing left to do except reopen everything and let people see it.
Sad times we live in.
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Hey Nancy if you don't have an underlying condition and still want to stay inside then you have that option. Those of us with a set will be at work if you need us
 
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vols40 said:
Hey Nancy if you don't have an underlying condition and still want to stay inside then you have that option. Those of us with a set will be at work if you need us[/QUOTE






F*** nancy.. but yes thats what i just said said. Im with you ..I've been working
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TennTradition said:
Not only are deaths up considerably vs where they are normally across states like NY, MD, MI, etc, but CV deaths only account for 33%-66% of the abnormal increase in deaths. Unless there is some unknown killer out there, we are likely not classifying ENOUGH deaths as CV deaths.
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I don’t want a New York Times article but do you have a link where they actually have that data.... I would be interested to look at it.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I don’t want a New York Times article but do you have a link where they actually have that data.... I would be interested to look at it.
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You’ve probably seen it by now but I posted a recap graphic. The dates are from March 1 - April 4. I’ve seen other numbers published as well that are more recent but I don’t have links at the moment to those. Would have to find them again. As I noted earlier, there are reasons why you would expect higher than normal deaths right now that wouldn’t be from CV. But also other deaths are down - like traffic fatalities.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
My grandma lives in an assisted living facility in Hendersonville (Sumner County TN), and two employees contracted it. No residents have thus far, but very scary. I lost my grandpa in February to cancer, and I hate that I can't visit her and that it's so risky for her.
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If she lives in a true ALF versus a glorified nursing home......she will more than likely be fine.... outside of the virus.... isolation and fear is her next biggest worry..... Buy her an iPad and set it up where you can video talk to her several times a day especially for access to any grandkids she may have bc let’s face it she loves you but those grand kids are her world.... Also have the grandkids draw her a lot of pictures and also send her memory type items when you drop things off.... She needs a lot of love and interaction right now.
 
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TennTradition said:
You’ve probably seen it by now but I posted a recap graphic. The dates are from March 1 - April 4. I’ve seen other numbers published as well that are more recent but I don’t have links at the moment to those. Would have to find them again. As I noted earlier, there are reasons why you would expect higher than normal deaths right now that wouldn’t be from CV. But also other deaths are down - like traffic fatalities.
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I tried to search your name but couldn’t find the graphic..... I do remember you posting some though....I have searched several times online and had difficulty... I could only find ones from a year or two ago or I would find one that was published by someone that I could tell had a slanted viewpoint so I didn’t trust the info.
 
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newyorkvol said:
I started getting a little cynical when one of the authors of the VA study has a reported conflict as having received money from Gilead for other research.
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Things aren't adding up with this anymore, at first when the stay at home orders came out to not overwhelm the hospitals I was like sure makes sense lets get through it. But now the more that comes out and the longer this goes the more I'm starting to think its all a sham.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Things aren't adding up with this anymore, at first when the stay at home orders came out to not overwhelm the hospitals I was like sure makes sense lets get through it. But now the more that comes out and the longer this goes the more I'm starting to think its all a sham.
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@hog88 , @allvol123 and I went back and forth of the severity of this and the need for a shutdown. Different reasons for me. Older family members and not overflowing hospitals.

But I'm with you and them now. You can't keep the country shut down for this any longer. We did it. It was effective. Watching all the power grabbing by D Governors is enough. You will have millions starving if people can't go back to work.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
@hog88 , @allvol123 and I went back and forth of the severity of this and the need for a shutdown. Different reasons for me. Older family members and not overflowing hospitals.

But I'm with you and them now. You can't keep the country shut down for this any longer. We did it. It was effective. Watching all the power grabbing by D Governors is enough. You will have millions starving if people can't go back to work.
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Food is how they will really control people, you want your families weekly ration then you will do what you are told
 
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