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utvolpj said:
You're right, only the authorities should have weapons. Easier to control that way

Citizens are threatened every day through actions of legislators. Their enforcers have rifles and handguns
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I have never seen an act of the Tennessee Legislature require armed execution. Do you recall any?
 
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GordonC said:
As of about two weeks ago (not sure since), doctors around here doing Telehealth were not prescribing any antibiotics or oral steroids by phone unless patients had been tested. In fact, they were telling all people with allergy/sinus infection symptoms to go get tested at urgent care first, and that was before the rapid results tests were available. I guess people really needing an antibiotic would have to wait. ??? We didn't get that far.
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Mine was a while back so it probably has changed. But at the time I was told by my PCP and the CDC call lines to not get tested unless things were bad or if I needed care.

Looking back I would 99% say I didnt have it, or at least my symptoms weren't from it and were instead allergies.
 
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utvolpj said:
You're right, only the authorities should have weapons. Easier to control that way

Citizens are threatened every day through actions of legislators. Their enforcers have rifles and handguns
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The only people qualified to carry assault weapons are the cops that shoot unarmed minorities. The rest of us are unstable timebombs.
 
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TennTradition said:
That graphic shows US deaths above baseline, including for US (but again only went through Apr 4). So if you have baseline, that should give you total deaths. In that graphic they are comparing total deaths above normal and then showing how many of those deaths were labeled as CV.
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What would be interesting is to see is the pedigree information on those dying above the baseline. If this is really CV, then we should see a lot of old and sick people.

If that is the case (and it should be) then I guess I still don't understand the lockdown for the majority of the healthy working force. We have a new virus, and it is killing more than usual old and sick people. So I guess....so what? I don't want to see anybody die, and I hate this is happening, but I still don't see the need for the lockdown for EVERYBODY.
 
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volfan_89 said:
These “grassroots” protesters where from other states, not just residents of the state where the protest happen. On top of that, the protesters are a very vocal minority, somewhere around 60% of Americans support the shutdown.

Only 12% of Americans say the measures where they live go too far. About twice as many people, 26%, believe the limits don’t go far enough. The majority of Americans — 61% — feel the steps taken by government officials to prevent infections of COVID-19 in their area are about right.

Outbreak poll: Most Americans favor continued lockdown
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Here's what goes into that poll: Folks who are at home collecting more on unemployment than they got while working; folks still getting paid full wages to work from home but they're barely working; 80% who have not been laid off and are suffering no economic hardship. I guarantee those 12% are folks who have had their paycheck taken away from them.

Bottom line: these polls are worthless
 
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LouderVol said:
No more concerned tha if it was a bunch of dudes shooting at me.

Some of yall need to live in the country for a bit where rolling up on a stranger with a gun isnt a bad thing.
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It really isn’t even a thing , thing . Everybody around here carries . You can’t go to the corner store without seeing someone with a firearm . There’s nothing scary or unusual about it .
 
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LouderVol said:
No more concerned tha if it was a bunch of dudes shooting at me.

Some of yall need to live in the country for a bit where rolling up on a stranger with a gun isnt a bad thing.
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Uh, I probably live in a more rural area than you. If someone "rolls" up on me with a gun, he's gonna get one in return.
 
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volfan_89 said:
These “grassroots” protesters where from other states, not just residents of the state where the protest happen. On top of that, the protesters are a very vocal minority, somewhere around 60% of Americans support the shutdown.

Only 12% of Americans say the measures where they live go too far. About twice as many people, 26%, believe the limits don’t go far enough. The majority of Americans — 61% — feel the steps taken by government officials to prevent infections of COVID-19 in their area are about right.

Outbreak poll: Most Americans favor continued lockdown
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We are not seeing that play out here ( unless all 12% are here in the Tidewater area of Virginia) reading that article and watching what people are doing more and more here everyday isn’t meshing up .
 
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Sea Ray said:
Here's what goes into that poll: Folks who are at home collecting more on unemployment than they got while working; folks still getting paid full wages to work from home but they're barely working; 80% who have not been laid off and are suffering no economic hardship. I guarantee those 12% are folks who have had their paycheck taken away from them.

Bottom line: these polls are worthless
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Unless the data supports my unfounded views, the data is worthless.

Care to back up your claims?
 
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TennTradition said:
First, that’s just silly.

Second, was it not a death nonetheless?

So, it’s a simple extension. If many more people are dying than typically recorded this time of year in those states, and CV deaths are only a portion of that increase - is it more likely that we are undercounting or overcounting?

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I’ll offer the counter-argument. Well, it’s people who are not seeking medical treatment they need and dying because of it. And I do think that’s part of it. But this data is from March 1-April 4. So only a few weeks of lockdown. So I don’t think there’s a strong argument to make that all these deaths are from people not seeking treatment.

Where there exists reasonable medical determination that CV was a cause of death I don’t have a problem classifying that death as probable. I would prefer that list be kept separate - and most states are doing this. I also really hope they are doing blood draws and specimen samples. However, that does not make them fake death certificates.
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So we shut down the country for 15k extra deaths?

Average death rate is 731* per 100k. That's 2,412,000 a year. Based on 2018 numbers which were down from 2017.

In the four months of 2020 on average we should have lost just shy of a million people. 949,300 with rounding down to keep the math easier.

So we are up 1.75% on DEATHS.

That's falls within the stastical variance we see from year to year. In the last 20 years the biggest increase from one year to the next was 5%. And no one freaked out.

*Sorry I had to adjust my number. The 863 was the worst mortality rate for a demographic in 2018. Not the overall see altered numbers.
 
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0nelilreb said:
We are not seeing that play out here ( unless all 12% are here in the Tidewater area of Virginia) reading that article and watching what people are doing more and more here everyday isn’t meshing up .
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I’ve said it a few times, but I actually support a slow, phased reopen. With lots of testing, proper ppe for employees. We also need to get money to small businesses and people that need it. There’s been too many large companies claiming money that was supposed to go to small businesses.
 
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