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Purple Tiger said:
I do not like it when a peaceful protest is confronting a government body It is nothing but intimidation..
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Feelz ...I don’t like it when liberals say stupid things. Really it’s a good thing our FFs were smart enough to account for people like us huh?
 
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rjd970 said:
What would be interesting is to see is the pedigree information on those dying above the baseline. If this is really CV, then we should see a lot of old and sick people.

If that is the case (and it should be) then I guess I still don't understand the lockdown for the majority of the healthy working force. We have a new virus, and it is killing more than usual old and sick people. So I guess....so what? I don't want to see anybody die, and I hate this is happening, but I still don't see the need for the lockdown for EVERYBODY.
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First question would seem to be - "does anyone need to isolate at all"

Answers to that seem to depend on the following
- Will slowing the spread allow you to establish better medical care (supply chains, PPE, treatments, etc.)
- Will not slowing the spread overwhelm your hospitals and lead to much higher death
- Will slowing the spread allow you to get a vaccine significantly faster than you will reach herd immunity while in "lockdown"

Once you've answered those that it is worth trying to slow this down (or not), then

Next question is - "can you effectively isolate only a portion of the population?"

This seems to be a very good solution if you can do it. I think it is proving incredibly difficult to do. My colleague whose entire family got it had their grandmother in lockdown in her house (and the rest of his family in their house 5 doors down). They were taking her groceries, but wiping them down. Somehow she got it. She either got it about 2-3 weeks before in one encounter they had about a week before anyone got sick or she got it from when they were transferring groceries. That is interesting to me because it suggests very little contact can spread, and so when you have more and more active carriers as we let it rip through the "low risk" population, seems risk of infecting the "at risk" gets pretty high.

Now that takes us back to the first questions....

We aren't going to stay locked down. We need to be prepared for what that means and try to mitigate the risks of it in every way we can.
 
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Septic said:
The country was "shut down" to prevent our hospitals from being overwhelmed - it appears to have worked in most areas. I think you're inadvertently confirming that the mandated closures and social distancing was effective.

It reminds me of the people who stop getting a flu shot because they never get the flu.
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Just out of curiosity, how do we know the hospitals would have been overwhelmed without a shutdown? Only thing I can think of is what happened in Italy as an example, and I would point out Italy has an older population and then raise you a Sweden example as the opposite.

More and more it seems to be slowly coming out we overreacted. Outside of NY, I’m struggling to see where the issue is or any evidence the shutdown on this scale was even needed.
 
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0nelilreb said:
There are folks on here that think showing your ID to prove who you just to use your right to vote is absurd and racist , but push ever increasing restrictions on gun owners to show proof that they have “ earned “ the right to have a firearm . Selective outrage is selective . 🤷‍♂️
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Not sure why your are addressing this at me. Probably bc you support this type of authoritarian stuff.
 
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#50,892
Septic said:
Reminds me of this.

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1 group broke the law, the other didn't
 
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Purple Tiger said:
No. It is one thing for a citizen to oppose the government in a peaceful way. It is another to stand in the balcony of a legislature with a rifle. That is the perfect set-up for an assassination.
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Well dang it sounds like Michigan missed it's perfect opprotunity.

Either that or it wasnt a perfect opportunity. Or you are having to project to make an argument.
 
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LouderVol said:
So Trump didnt screw us?

Fine. Double the numbers. Heck triple the numbers and you finally get outside the stastical variance of YTY deaths.

See my previous post. If we are going to have 1920s unemployment I would expect us to be reacting to 1920s death rates. Not 2010 death rates.
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So we should be more reactionary? Is that what you're saying - make the number of closures commensurate with the number of deaths?
 
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#50,897
Purple Tiger said:
No. It is one thing for a citizen to oppose the government in a peaceful way. It is another to stand in the balcony of a legislature with a rifle. That is the perfect set-up for an assassination.
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Those protesters were peaceful, I haven't heard of 1 incident of violence.

When the government is no longer afraid of the citizenry you are no longer a citizen, you are a subject.
 
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