Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[0nelilreb]

This is a little eye-rolling.

CA had almost 300 cases when Newsome shut down restaurants, etc. on 3/15.

In TX, I started working from home on the 15th - as did pretty much most of the jobs that could in Houston (roads were obviously less busy) and the large cities took the lead in shutting down restaurants, etc. Houston shut things down on 3/20. On 3/20, Texas had almost 200 cases. So, relative to the virus's progress in TX, Houston (which was one of the early cities to be impacted in TX) shut down faster than Newsome shut down CA.

Point being, Texans were not running around, not shut down, hanging out at beaches (has anyone been to a TX beach? You don't hang out there unless it's down south). So it seems like a bad comparison to try to make.

Now do Florida .

 

[hog88]

Why did you bring it up in the first place?

You asked this question.

I have never seen an act of the Tennessee Legislature require armed execution. Do you recall any?

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Another ad hominem.

It was definitely a wilder time. Wars, weapons and people were totally different from today so using 1775 as an example probably isn’t the best idea.

 

[0nelilreb]

I’ve said it a few times, but I actually support a slow, phased reopen. With lots of testing, proper ppe for employees. We also need to get money to small businesses and people that need it. There’s been too many large companies claiming money that was supposed to go to small businesses.

How do we get money to small businesses when the F’in lifers in congress won’t stop feeding their favorite lobbyists?

 

[Septic]

So we shut down the country for 15k extra deaths?

Average death rate is 863 per 100k. That's 2,846,900 a year. Based on 2018 numbers which were down from 2017.

In the four months of 2020 on average we should have lost just shy of a million people. 949,300 with rounding down to keep the math easier.

So we are up 1.5% on DEATHS.

That's falls within the stastical variance we see from year to year. In the last 20 years the biggest increase from one year to the next was 5%. And no one freaked out.

The country was "shut down" to prevent our hospitals from being overwhelmed - it appears to have worked in most areas. I think you're inadvertently confirming that the mandated closures and social distancing was effective.

It reminds me of the people who stop getting a flu shot because they never get the flu.

 

[hog88]

It was definitely a wilder time. Wars, weapons and people were totally different from today so using 1775 as an example probably isn’t the best idea.

It was a different time but the basic human rights granted each of us at birth have not changed.

 

[zeppelin128]

It was definitely a wilder time. Wars, weapons and people were totally different from today so using 1775 as an example probably isn’t the best idea.

Meh, there are folks on here that have said only property owning folks should have a vote. I'm not kidding. We aren't that far from muh 1776 shenanigans.

 

[0nelilreb]

A peaceful protest, which is the legal kind, is not a threat. An armed protest could easily turned into an insurrection.

That one word I keep seeing “ could “ . It either is a peaceful protest by law abiding citizens or it isn’t . You “ Could “ turn into a serial rapist tomorrow after you drive your car into a Walmart parking lot and see a woman . Which part of that do we forbid from happening because it “ could” ?

 

[Rickyvol77]

So you are saying it is ok to intimidate legislators with rifles and handguns? Sounds like a fascist takeover or some banana republic.

You believe the simple possession of firearms is intimidating lol

 

[LouderVol]

So we shut down the country for 15k extra deaths?

Average death rate is 731* per 100k. That's 2,412,000 a year. Based on 2018 numbers which were down from 2017.

In the four months of 2020 on average we should have lost just shy of a million people. 949,300 with rounding down to keep the math easier.

So we are up 1.75% on DEATHS.

That's falls within the stastical variance we see from year to year. In the last 20 years the biggest increase from one year to the next was 5%. And no one freaked out.

*Sorry I had to adjust my number. The 863 was the worst mortality rate for a demographic in 2018. Not the overall see altered numbers.

Ok to put this in more perspective instead of averaging 731 per 100k we are averaging 744.

In 2010 we were averaging 746 deaths per 100k.

definitely worth shutting down our country for a death rate we have seen in this country in the last decade.

In the year 2000 it was 872 per 100k
Compared to the time of spanish flu of 1310 per 100k.

 

[0nelilreb]

Meh, there are folks on here that have said only property owning folks should have a vote. I'm not kidding. We aren't that far from muh 1776 shenanigans.

There are folks on here that think showing your ID to prove who you just to use your right to vote is absurd and racist , but push ever increasing restrictions on gun owners to show proof that they have “ earned “ the right to have a firearm . Selective outrage is selective .

 

[Dustin4Vols]

DOOOOD THA RONA GONNA RONA

 

[Matt2496]

You wouldn't know tyranny if you woke up next to it.

Look in the mirror

 

[Purple Tiger]

Look in the mirror

I wouldn't know it if I looked in a mirror. We have suffered no tyranny.

 

[0nelilreb]

So you are saying it is ok to intimidate legislators with rifles and handguns? Sounds like a fascist takeover or some banana republic.

It’s amazing what the liberal mind sees . I don’t know what you were looking at , but I saw citizens of a state choosing to use two rights they have ( right to bear arms and the right to peaceful protest ) in a capital building that is theirs .

 

[Septic]

You wouldn't know tyranny if you woke up next to it.

Reminds me of this.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

How do we get money to small businesses when the F’in lifers in congress won’t stop feeding their favorite lobbyists?

Getting money out of politics is something I definitely support.

Also I’d say just bypass it all and just give everyone checks until this is over. That’s one way to circumvent the system.

 

[Purple Tiger]

You believe the simple possession of firearms is intimidating lol

I do not like it when a peaceful protest is confronting a government body It is nothing but intimidation..

 

[hog88]

Meh, there are folks on here that have said only property owning folks should have a vote. I'm not kidding. We aren't that far from muh 1776 shenanigans.

I disagree with the "property owning" requirement, I lean more towards the Starship Troopers model for earning citizenship and the ability to vote. But would settle for requiring voters to be net taxpayers.

 

[Matt2496]

I wouldn't know it if I looked in a mirror. We have suffered no tyranny.

Proved my point.

 

[hog88]

I wouldn't know it if I looked in a mirror. We have suffered no tyranny.

.

 

[Purple Tiger]

You asked this question.

Good boy.

 

[Purple Tiger]

Proved my point.

That we've suffered no tyranny? I agree.

 

[hog88]

Reminds me of this.

Pretty dumb meme.

 

[LouderVol]

The country was "shut down" to prevent our hospitals from being overwhelmed - it appears to have worked in most areas. I think you're inadvertently confirming that the mandated closures and social distancing was effective.

It reminds me of the people who stop getting a flu shot because they never get the flu.

So Trump didnt screw us?

Fine. Double the numbers. Heck triple the numbers and you finally get outside the stastical variance of YTY deaths.

See my previous post. If we are going to have 1920s unemployment I would expect us to be reacting to 1920s death rates. Not 2010 death rates.