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[McDad]

My point being there is currently greater evidence of long term effects from infection rather than vaccine... which makes sense.

Another selling point for those of you who want or need the vaccine. As long as you vaccine-vatos reach your HIT, no need to worry about the rest of us.

 

[LouderVol]

For the first time in almost 1 year, McMom's hospital has no active covid cases admitted.

Great news.

 

[GSD82]

Great news.

Not for some

 

[DancingOutlaw]

5 days ago he said by the end of May. Now that he's saying the middle of May, he gets a new headline? You are one of his herd.

Trump translation: "President rages about end of May timeline: demands staff now say middle of May which isn't supported by science"

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Equivalent of Covid emissions drop needed every two years - study

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Are you concerned about the long term effects of Covid infection, or even possibly recurrent covid infections?

Not at all. Are you?

 

[evillawyer]

1 year ago. Good stuff. Nice to no longer be led by a carnival barker

 

[OHvol40]

Not at all. Are you?

Based on some cases I’ve seen (even in young people), possibly.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I believe the antibody/immune response is much stronger from the vaccine, providing a longer and more comprehensive immunity.

I just got over covid and my symptoms were hardly more than a body ache one evening and a cough for two days. I've had worse hangovers, this month...

Not a virologist but I think the lasting "protection" afforded by my illness pales to those who had a longer bout of trouble with 'rona.

This would actually be an unexpected finding, if it ever proved true. Naturally-acquired immunity is usually "stronger and more comprehensive." Remember: vaccines really only function by emulating the real thing.

Let me explain with this particular infection. The current vaccines only mimic the spike protein of the virion, rather than the entire virus, which has other antibody targets. Our immune system is able to recognize multiple antigens of most infectious agents, causing a more "comprehensive," and possibly more lasting response.

There are readily-accessible papers (some of which I have shared) documenting lasting immunity after natural infection -- most recently at least 6-8 months.

The duration of immunity from vaccination is currently unknown, as is comparison to natural infection.

 

[kiddiedoc]

My point being there is currently greater evidence of long term effects from infection rather than vaccine... which makes sense.

The problem is that there are no long-term studies of vaccine effects. That's the issue many people have with it.

Don't get me wrong: I don't think there will be any major long-term issues. But, FDA approval and the practice of medicine aren't based on "thinking," they are based on evidence. We do, occasionally, F up royally. See: RSV vaccine that ended up increasing serious illness, nausea medication given for morning sickness that caused horrific both defects, etc.

As far as long-term effects from CV19 in the younger, healthy population? Virtually non-existent. I just read a paper yesterday disposing of last year's fear about cardiac problems in recovered athletes. I don't know of a single child with persistent issues.

 

[OHvol40]

The problem is that there are no long-term studies of vaccine effects. That's the issue many people have with it.

Don't get me wrong: I don't think there will be any major long-term issues. But, FDA approval and the practice of medicine aren't based on "thinking," they are based on evidence. We do, occasionally, F up royally. See: RSV vaccine that ended up increasing serious illness, nausea medication given for morning sickness that caused horrific both defects, etc.

As far as long-term effects from CV19 in the younger, healthy population? Virtually non-existent. I just read a paper yesterday disposing of last year's fear about cardiac problems in recovered athletes. I don't know of a single child with persistent issues.

I’ve had a few young, otherwise healthy adults that have required some serious lung procedures after recovering from covid. It’s anecdotal of course and could just be an anomaly. The fact remains, though, the chances of long term effects from the viral infection are more likely than long term effects from one of the vaccines.
As always, time and evidence will tell the story eventually.

 

[kiddiedoc]

The fact remains, though, the chances of long term effects from the viral infection are more likely than long term effects from one of the vaccines.
As always, time and evidence will tell the story eventually.

This is actually an error, according to the scientific method. It can't be a "fact" that the outcome from one treatment path is better than the other if one is completely unknown.

Again, you are probably correct.

 

[MG1968]

1 year ago. Good stuff. Nice to no longer be led by a carnival barker

It must be nice knowing you’re the only person who gives a damn. Demented and sad, but nice.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Let me clarify:

Suppose that, in 10-20 years, we find an increase of autoimmune conditions, malignancy, or infertility associated with CV19 vaccination in 0.1% of teenagers/adults aged 16-29 at the time of vaccination. That number is higher than the current mortality rate and known long-term sequelae.

 

[OHvol40]

This is actually an error, according to the scientific method. It can't be a "fact" that the outcome from one treatment path is better than the other if one is completely unknown.

Again, you are probably correct.

Ok, figure of speech.

 

[VolnJC]

Cases down again today thanks to herd immunity and Trump's vaccine...Biden talking about buying more doses...for what to sell to other countries? Trump already had deals in place for 400 million Pfizer, 400 million Moderna, 300 million from Aztra Zeneca, and 100 million from J&J enough to vaccinate over 600 million people Trump Administration purchases additional 100 million doses of COVID-19 investigational vaccine from Pfizer

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a group of people beg harder for the guillotine.

We shouldn’t have to teach, we’re not essential.

Virtual teaching is harder than in person teaching.

We should be first in line for a vaccine (for their apparently non essential job)

Your property tax money (of which the lion’s share goes to education) does not guarantee a right to an education.

 

[volfanhill]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a group of people beg harder for the guillotine.

We shouldn’t have to teach, we’re not essential.

Virtual teaching is harder than in person teaching.

We should be first in line for a vaccine (for their apparently non essential job)

Your property tax money (of which the lion’s share goes to education) does not guarantee a right to an education.

My opinion of them has never been lower. For many municipalities they should be fired. No debate. Just gone. They love to ignore the science and try to manipulate this.

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[Electric Orange]

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[hUTch2002]

Quit being an ass and get the vaccine. You have no clue if the long term problems of contracting Covid are worse then the side effects of the shot


U.S. embraces COVID-19 vaccines, improving odds of herd immunity

Neither do you or anyone else. I’ll take my chances with my natural immune system that has already kicked the virus’s ass once. Thanks for caring though.

 

[OHvol40]

Neither do you or anyone else. I’ll take my chances with my natural immune system that has already kicked the virus’s ass once. Thanks for caring though.

Embrace the Neanderthal within.

 

[ButchPlz]

Neither do you or anyone else. I’ll take my chances with my natural immune system that has already kicked the virus’s ass once. Thanks for caring though.

I'll just rely on the fact that I'm a 31-year-old healthy male with a 99%+ chance of minor symptoms and a miniscule chance of death from COVID. My parents have made the decision to get vaccines- good on them, they're adults.

 

[Septic]

This would actually be an unexpected finding, if it ever proved true. Naturally-acquired immunity is usually "stronger and more comprehensive." Remember: vaccines really only function by emulating the real thing.

Let me explain with this particular infection. The current vaccines only mimic the spike protein of the virion, rather than the entire virus, which has other antibody targets. Our immune system is able to recognize multiple antigens of most infectious agents, causing a more "comprehensive," and possibly more lasting response.

There are readily-accessible papers (some of which I have shared) documenting lasting immunity after natural infection -- most recently at least 6-8 months.

The duration of immunity from vaccination is currently unknown, as is comparison to natural infection.

That's quite fascinating and in contradiction to the below. I'm obviously no physician or expert, just a laymen regurgitating what I'd read below.

Why a vaccine can provide better immunity than an actual infection

Though this article below seems to agree more closely with your assessment, e.g. that it depends on the vaccine.

What's the Difference Between Antibodies From Infection and Vaccines?

Deferring to your expertise I'm now left wondering if those with a very mild illness (like me) will have built a stronger/longer immunity that I would have with a vaccine.