Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[McDad]

Absolutely. They are to keep surgical body fluids (blood, pus, etc) from splashing onto the face of the surgeon. Even if you are worried about wound infections, those are caused by bacteria (much larger than viruses), and a number of studies have demonstrated that surgeon mask-wearing does not decrease them.

Happy to provide references if needed, but I did discuss this matter with multiple surgeon friends in the early stages of the pandemic.

Fluids under pressure are surprisingly lively once the vessel is cut.

 

[LouderVol]

Yeah. I get it. But THEY are wearing the masks to protect ME from THEM.

It was clear from the very beginning that the masks were not about stopping us from getting infected ourselves but to prevent us from accidentally infecting others in case we might be infected. Yet for some reason people are going ape over an email that says exactly that.

I think I'm just wired too differently to comprehend what all the hullabaloo is about.

Do you have a problem getting coughed or sneezed on? I take public transportation pretty much every day and I can count how often I have felt someone cough or sneeze on me with a single hand.

At this point we have a year of data across the entire world, and nowhere have masks actually made a significant difference. You can look at our nation. Remember WAY back when Georgia was doomed because Kemp refused to implement a statewide mandate? Remember how deadly the Sturgis rally was? The superbowl celebrations? Texas removing the statewide, or Florida?

Surely if masks worked all of those cases would have turned horrible right? The ACTUAL DATA says masks dont do jack against Covid.

 

[LouderVol]

You are wasting your time, they aren’t able to comprehend it.

Just like you are incapable of dealing with the actual data. Funny the party of science still refuses to address the actual data.

 

[LouderVol]

My mom works with lawyers, and one of the lawyers said the supreme court had ruled yesterday mask requirements unconstitutional. I am not seeing anything from the USSC. At most its Wisconsin's back in March and it wasnt a blanket statement. Anyone seen anything on this, or is it just typical lawyer double speak?

 

[Weezy]

I actually don't think Fauci's emails are bad. It's his actions that were bad. He was 100% on team wear a mask or you are killing grandma. If he would have said what's in his email he would have squashed this political divide. Instead he said the science has changed when it never changed. A bunch of CFD models where they don't belong was the only science supporting masks.

 

[McDad]

I'm no Fauci fanboy but I wonder if he will suffer consequences or even if he should. Seems like he can take the stance he was trying to be extra cautious, calm public panic, and curtail unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

 

[allvol123]

I'm no Fauci fanboy but I wonder if he will suffer consequences or even if he should. Seems like he can take the stance he was trying to be extra cautious, calm public panic, and curtail unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

Maybe he can write a book and tell is all about it...oh wait.

 

[McDad]

Maybe he can write a book and tell is all about it...oh wait.

Did anyone explain why Amazon and B&K pulled his book?

 

[allvol123]

Did anyone explain why Amazon and B&K pulled his book?

Not that I have heard.

 

[RikidyBones]

I'm no Fauci fanboy but I wonder if he will suffer consequences or even if he should. Seems like he can take the stance he was trying to be extra cautious, calm public panic, and curtail unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

It's not his job to manage public panic or to assess theories of origin. He was direct in his opinions and have been proven wrong (masks, NY handling, origin, lockdowns, treatment). He over stepped and needs to resign imo. He also needs to be pressed on perjury. We cannot accept health officials lying to the American people or to congress. He has done that multiple times.

One thing that is curious is that he said in one of the emails that money should be spent on diagnostics and vaccines... but not treatment?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Something is afoot politicaly. Not sure why this is being leaked or FOIA now. It was obvious a year ago.

It was obvious from the get go. It was a planned attack. Population densities and the fact that the USA was hit so hard bear that out.


Change my mind.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Did anyone explain why Amazon and B&K pulled his book?

He's outlived his usefulness to the machine. I hear he has the goods on Hillary as well.


But he won't kill himself.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm no Fauci fanboy but I wonder if he will suffer consequences or even if he should. Seems like he can take the stance he was trying to be extra cautious, calm public panic, and curtail unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

When does anybody in high level government ever suffer consequences for wrongs that they do? King Cuomo is still kissing women, Biden is still sniffing little girls... Hillary is.... Fauci will quietly 'retire' to spend time with his family and we will move on to the next crisis that the media can use to make HoJoe look good.

 

[kiddiedoc]

It was obvious from the get go. It was a planned attack. Population densities and the fact that the USA was hit so hard bear that out.


Change my mind.

I'm still very curious as to what happened in China. Australia continues to prove that lockdowns don't eliminate the virus indefinitely. Masks are a joke. China is MUCH more densely-populated than America.

Did they have and distribute a vaccine behind the scenes? Are they using a therapeutic we don't know about? Does the virus preferentially target certain ethnicities? Were there hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths there we don't know about?

 

[RikidyBones]

I'm still very curious as to what happened in China. Australia continues to prove that lockdowns don't eliminate the virus indefinitely. Masks are a joke. China is MUCH more densely-populated than America.

Did they have and distribute a vaccine behind the scenes? Are they using a therapeutic we don't know about? Does the virus preferentially target certain ethnicities? Were there hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths there we don't know about?

I think they aren't honest with the numbers.

 

[utvolpj]

Did they have and distribute a vaccine behind the scenes? Are they using a therapeutic we don't know about? Does the virus preferentially target certain ethnicities? Were there hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths there we don't know about?

I think it's your last one. Too many videos of people getting loaded up. Is there a faster way to control a virus than to just eliminate anyone who might have it?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I'm still very curious as to what happened in China. Australia continues to prove that lockdowns don't eliminate the virus indefinitely. Masks are a joke. China is MUCH more densely-populated than America.

Did they have and distribute a vaccine behind the scenes? Are they using a therapeutic we don't know about? Does the virus preferentially target certain ethnicities? Were there hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths there we don't know about?

The last one

 

[LouderVol]

It was obvious from the get go. It was a planned attack. Population densities and the fact that the USA was hit so hard bear that out.


Change my mind.

We werent hit that hard. On pretty metric that isnt based on pure population size, we arent even in the top 10 nations impacted. And consistently less than half of the top guys.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

We werent hit that hard. On pretty metric that isnt based on pure population size, we arent even in the top 10 nations impacted. And consistently less than half of the top guys.

Sure could have fooled me by the daily death counter.

 

[LouderVol]

Sure could have fooled me by the daily death counter.

Only because they never showed comparisons.

Remember when India was doomed? 2/3 of our peak with like 3 or 4 times the population.

 

[davethevol]

I think it's your last one. Too many videos of people getting loaded up. Is there a faster way to control a virus than to just eliminate anyone who might have it?

There were those videos in the beginning of last year that got out showing Chinese police boarding up peoples’ homes with no way out and painting something in red roses indicate they were suspected of having the virus. I’m sure what they’ve done to people suspected of having has been horrendous.

 

[vols4sure]

I think on the science end of things, yes. This Dr. Fauci guy seems to have real credibility on both sides of the aisle. And, he has walked back and/or corrected a number of Trump's false claims over the last week.

I think what has the non-Trump slurper world frustrated with him is the constant lying and minimization. Just yesterday, as Dr. Fauci was testifying to Congress that the testing problems have been a failure and unacceptable, Trump was telling reporters that the testing was going fine and bragging about it.

Why didn't he let Fauci answer the question about the hydoxy....????

I cannot think of a single person who would not want this drug, or combo, to offer a real alternative for people who get CoVid-19. But, as a scientist Fauci is waiting on sufficient evidence to make a call one way or the other. There are double blind trials going on as we speak, we should have some meaningful results next week on whether it really works.

Had we embraced masks and similar measures when the experts like Fauci and the CDC concluded we should have, you might be right. Sadly, Trump and many Republican governors insisted on perpetuating the lie that masks and some consistent closures were not necessary. The outcome we have now is a DIRECT result of Republican and Trump ineptitude. They are going to pay dearly at the ballot box for a long time to come.

Surprise, lawgator picked the wrong person to give instant credibility to just because Trump had the audacity to question him.

 

[McDad]

Surprise, lawgator picked the wrong person to give instant credibility to just because Trump had the audacity to question him.

LG wrong?

First time for everything I guess

 

[AshG]

Surprise, lawgator picked the wrong person to give instant credibility to just because Trump had the audacity to question him.

Honestly, I wonder how much of Fauci's cockups were due to his concerns with Trump's approach. Was he trying to outpace what he felt was misinformation coming from the same podium he was speaking from?

There's significant blame to be laid at Trump's feet, sure. But Fauci, if the trajectory of information continues in the same direction, made the bigger errors by not letting the data speak for itself. Never massage the data to fit your message. Ever.

 

[vols4sure]

Honestly, I wonder how much of Fauci's cockups were due to his concerns with Trump's approach. Was he trying to outpace what he felt was misinformation coming from the same podium he was speaking from?

There's significant blame to be laid at Trump's feet, sure. But Fauci, if the trajectory of information continues in the same direction, made the bigger errors by not letting the data speak for itself. Never massage the data to fit your message. Ever.

So it is somehow Trump's fault that Fauci is a liar? Good grief. Not everything is Trump's fault.