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Without blanket immunity would any of the vaccine manufacturers have already released the products? Probably not because that uncertainty would come at an unknown cost, and they would want to know that before releasing.

I'd go beyond "probably." Those white pages with the tiny print that tell you all of the known side effects of a drug make suing the manufacturer next to impossible. Without knowing those risks, the manufacturer/FDA can't put them on the list. Hence the emergency use authorization had to protect the manufacturers until they can get all of the side effects on the warning pages.
 
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so we are currently at 56% of the entire population (including kids) with at least one dose. some of the completely unvaccinated had Covid so the true % of people with some protection is likely over 60% of the population.

if we just look at over 18 it's gonna be more like 70+% with some protection

Those seem like fair guesses.
 
Those seem like fair guesses.

add to those the data that most of the new cases are among the unvaccinated and we just keep adding to the % with protection. (current rate of 25K/day)

getting vaccinated is the preferred path to protection of course but the potential for a large wave gets smaller as we get these pockets of growth in areas with lower vaccination rates.

so far, the case fatality rate is not rising with the Delta so we continue to trudge towards herd immunity
 
I think you're missing my point. I'm not saying that we know, with any certainty, the full picture of the long-term effects of the vaccines. What I'm saying is that it's just as incorrect to say that we have absolutely no idea what long term risks might exist.
That's ridiculous.
 
I'd go beyond "probably." Those white pages with the tiny print that tell you all of the known side effects of a drug make suing the manufacturer next to impossible. Without knowing those risks, the manufacturer/FDA can't put them on the list. Hence the emergency use authorization had to protect the manufacturers until they can get all of the side effects of the warning pages.
And they still don't know, and won't know for several years.
 
so we are currently at 56% of the entire population (including kids) with at least one dose. some of the completely unvaccinated had Covid so the true % of people with some protection is likely over 60% of the population.

if we just look at over 18 it's gonna be more like 70+% with some protection
Given findings from seroprevalence studies, the number of people in the U.S. with naturally-acquired immunity is probably at least 25%, possibly as high as 45% (3-5x the known number of cases).
 
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Given findings from seroprevalence studies, the number of people in the U.S. with naturally-acquired immunity is probably at least 25%, possibly as high as 45% (3-5x the known number of cases).

wonder what percent of these got the vaccination? I'm guessing the same rate as the general population so they are double protected.
 
While I'm not defending any particular messengers, I think that with what we know of the near term the message has to be that the shot is better than getting the virus.
Depends on your short term. For a large number of people getting Covid is literally nothing. For a good chunk (maybe majority) that feel sick it's not even as bad as the flu. That short term of covid* sounds like a nothing burger to me, just as much of a nothing burger as the vaccine.
 
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Depends on your short term. For a large number of people getting Covid is literally nothing. For a good chunk (maybe majority) that feel sick it's not even as bad as the flu. That short term of the vaccine sounds like a nothing burger to me, just as much of a nothing burger as the vaccine.

I get that argument, truly. While I've never been personally scared of Covid, I view mass vaccination as a societal good.
 
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wonder what percent of these got the vaccination? I'm guessing the same rate as the general population so they are double protected.
I would think that a larger portion of the recovered population has chosen to defer or forego vaccination. It's a small sample size, but several of my friends and colleagues would be in that group.
 
Have more young men be diagnosed with myocarditis after taking the vaccine, than those who contracted it from the disease?
 
I would think that a larger portion of the recovered population has chosen to defer or forego vaccination. It's a small sample size, but several of my friends and colleagues would be in that group.

I was referring to those with natural immunity (I assume that means they have immunity and did NOT contract Covid as compared to someone who has immunity (antibody protection) because they contracted Covid like you).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you meant by natural immunity.

Of these 3 groups I was referring to group 1. I captured group 2 in my original estimate of % of population with protection.

1. people who had something about them that made them immune to Covid
2. people who contracted Covid and survived and now have immunity
3. people who achieved immunity via vaccination.

I assume if you were in group 1 you don't really know it so your proclivity to get vaccinated would be the same as the general population. Put another way, more than 1/2 of the people in Group 1 probably got vaccinated.
 
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Use your best judgment and decide for yourselves.

I am immunocompromised, as is my mother in law. So was my mom (she passed in April). My wife and I took the vaccine because we determined the short term benefit outweighed the long term risks. We're a very family oriented bunch and wanted to protect the most at-risk among us.

Those of you wanting people to get the vaccine, try a different tactic. Respect their choices and stop barking at them about what you perceive as their selfishness. Be kind and listen. Hear what they're saying. That doesn't mean you have to agree, but listen with an open mind and try to understand their choice. And above all, be kind.
 

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