Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[LouderVol]

Over 99% Hospitalized 2021 COVID Patients Unvaccinated

There are breakthru cases that wind up up being serious, but they are rare. This is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

As pointed put before and never answered. How many of the hospitalized had Covid before?

Unvaxxed covers people who had it before, but may be safe now. That break down has never been provided to make the determination of only thru vaxxing are we safe.

 

[bamawriter]

By the same logic j&j should be the safest vaccine because we have been using that process for centuries.

I seriously doubt each mRNA works exactly the same. thus could have different side effects. Common sense would say because we are getting different results, targeted at Covid, that these mRNA vaccines can not be assumed to be the same as other existing safe ones.

I think you're missing my point. I'm not saying that we know, with any certainty, the full picture of the long-term effects of the vaccines. What I'm saying is that it's just as incorrect to say that we have absolutely no idea what long term risks might exist.

 

[bamawriter]

As pointed put before and never answered. How many of the hospitalized had Covid before?

Unvaxxed covers people who had it before, but may be safe now. That break down has never been provided to make the determination of only thru vaxxing are we safe.

I agree with that. I'm not discounting natural immunity at all. When looking at statistics like these, I'm comfortable with assuming that most (if not all) of the unvaccinated numbers are made up of individuals who have no natural immunity.

 

[Wireless1]

DO we know how many people have required hospitalization or death due to adverse reactions to the vaccine? There has to be at least 1.

 

[bamawriter]

DO we know how many people have required hospitalization or death due to adverse reactions to the vaccine? There has to be at least 1.

I recall reading of one woman who died from blood clots following the J&J vaccine. But the number of women who developed similar clots was so small that it's not possible to conclude that the vaccine caused the clots.

I'm sure there are others. To suggest that there are no possible serious risks would be disingenuous.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

DO we know how many people have required hospitalization or death due to adverse reactions to the vaccine? There has to be at least 1.

 

[LouderVol]

I think you're missing my point. I'm not saying that we know, with any certainty, the full picture of the long-term effects of the vaccines. What I'm saying is that it's just as incorrect to say that we have absolutely no idea what long term risks might exist.

Fair.

 

[LouderVol]

I agree with that. I'm not discounting natural immunity at all. When looking at statistics like these, I'm comfortable with assuming that most (if not all) of the unvaccinated numbers are made up of individuals who have no natural immunity.

I am too. But that's not the message being broadcast. We are consistently getting that only the vaccine will keep you safe. Completely discounting immune systems or other natural immunity.

 

[bamawriter]

I am too. But that's not the message being broadcast. We are consistently getting that only the vaccine will keep you safe. Completely discounting immune systems or other natural immunity.

That's reasonable. My position is that I trust the numbers, but I don't trust most of the folks who are trying to tell me what they mean. And that goes for folks on both sides of the argument.

 

[0nelilreb]

I recall reading of one woman who died from blood clots following the J&J vaccine. But the number of women who developed similar clots was so small that it's not possible to conclude that the vaccine caused the clots.

I'm sure there are others. To suggest that there are no possible serious risks would be disingenuous.

This is what it all boils down to … we can’t even get the correct number of Covid positive that has to go into the hospital/ were put on a Vent/ or actually died from it . The numbers have been so bloated to push a political agenda that we will never know the truth to any certainty. There is too much power and profit at play here with this Vaccine to think the true numbers on it will ever surface , but like anything we create medically to introduce into our body’s , it will damage / kill ( X) amount of people . Those are the acceptable number of deaths we will swap out in the name of “ public safety “ . Anyone that doesn’t think they could be among those people in the stat column, is off their rocker . I see people making comments like “ The benefits of getting the vaccine far outweigh any unknown future side effects “ and think the amount of fear a person would have to make a statement like that is incredible .

 

[0nelilreb]

That's reasonable. My position is that I trust the numbers, but I don't trust most of the folks who are trying to tell me what they mean. And that goes for folks on both sides of the argument.

I gave you a like about the people . I don’t trust the numbers because mostly it’s the same people who have a hand in those stats or stand to gain something from them .

 

[bamawriter]

I see people making comments like “ The benefits of getting the vaccine far outweigh any unknown future side effects “ and think the amount of fear a person would have to make a statement like that is incredible .

It's glaringly naive to suggest that the benefits outweigh unknown risks. You can't possibly make an accurate decision when comparing the known to the unknown. I think it's very fair to say that the benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the known risks. And yes, I'm aware that the argument will now focus on what is known versus what is unknown.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Olympians barred from hugging, shaking hands at Tokyo Games

 

[bamawriter]

I gave you a like about the people . I don’t trust the numbers because mostly it’s the same people who have a hand in those stats or stand to gain something from them .

I would need to see some concrete reason to doubt them. I aware of too many people that are involved in the process who have no reason to put their thumbs on the scales. Now, the media and the politicians who have taken this opportunity to embrace their inner tyrants absolutely should not be trusted.

 

[0nelilreb]

It's glaringly naive to suggest that the benefits outweigh unknown risks. You can't possibly make an accurate decision when comparing the known to the unknown. I think it's very fair to say that the benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the known risks. And yes, I'm aware that the argument will now focus on what is known versus what is unknown.

It truly has astounded me these last two years to be able to see what pure fear of something will do to even the most critical thinking person . The conclusions that will be drawn from this 15-20 years from know about this great social experiment will be some good reading .

 

[0nelilreb]

I would need to see some concrete reason to doubt them. I aware of too many people that are involved in the process who have no reason to put their thumbs on the scales. Now, the media and the politicians who have taken this opportunity to embrace their inner tyrants absolutely should not be trusted.

Follow the money … the hospitals register their numbers based on CDC guidelines , the CDC gets it funding from the Federal gov . States are always looking for Fed money and set mandates geared toward the goal of asking the Feds for a bailout . Throw in the two party’s opposing views on it , the MSM pushing the hot stories and their agendas , all of this ( for me ) has left me extremely cynical, unsympathetic, and never willing to trust any groups or organizations Stats or polls again. Odd isn’t it that even in a “ world wide pandemic “ it still is all about the money and power .

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Hands off: Athletes to put on medals in Tokyo

 

[LouderVol]

That's reasonable. My position is that I trust the numbers, but I don't trust most of the folks who are trying to tell me what they mean. And that goes for folks on both sides of the argument.

Agreed again. Right now the CDC is acting as the people telling us what they mean, without explicitly explaining what they are or how they came to their conclusion.

 

[Sea Ray]

Hands off: Athletes to put on medals in Tokyo

Madness

 

[hog88]

Olympians barred from hugging, shaking hands at Tokyo Games

No wrestling?

 

[Wireless1]

It's glaringly naive to suggest that the benefits outweigh unknown risks. You can't possibly make an accurate decision when comparing the known to the unknown. I think it's very fair to say that the benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the known risks. And yes, I'm aware that the argument will now focus on what is known versus what is unknown.

Without blanket immunity would any of the vaccine manufacturers have already released the products? Probably not because that uncertainty would come at an unknown cost, and they would want to know that before releasing.

 

[MAD]

 

[Wireless1]

The link is broken for me

 

[volinbham]

wonder if this will motivate more vaccine uptake.

 

[volinbham]

so we are currently at 56% of the entire population (including kids) with at least one dose. some of the completely unvaccinated had Covid so the true % of people with some protection is likely over 60% of the population.

if we just look at over 18 it's gonna be more like 70+% with some protection