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LouderVol said:
Formatting is a bit wonky to be sure. But it actually links to what it says it does. So I will say it's at least plausible.

Although the caveat of unverified on the VAERS info. Not sure why they are tracking it if they arent bothering to confirm the information brought forth.
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That’s what I thought as well
 
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LouderVol said:
Formatting is a bit wonky to be sure. But it actually links to what it says it does. So I will say it's at least plausible.

Although the caveat of unverified on the VAERS info. Not sure why they are tracking it if they arent bothering to confirm the information brought forth.
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The VAERS is just a big database that could, in theory, help to detect a pattern. If enough similar events happen, it could suggest an issue with the vaccine. But looking into each an every case on its own would require a massive amount of resources with no guarantee of gain.
 
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bamawriter said:
The VAERS is just a big database that could, in theory, help to detect a pattern. If enough similar events happen, it could suggest an issue with the vaccine. But looking into each an every case on its own would require a massive amount of resources with no guarantee of gain.
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All I spent time searching was the current total deaths and it matched the article. But if they are correct on the past two weeks, as well as their Covid numbers, not seeing an argument against either, I would say it's looking like a valid thing to look into.

Assuming the premise of the article is true and more people are currently dying from complications with the vax vs the disease the vax treats, it seems valid to pump the breaks a bit. Do a little more research, and at least establish if there is a pattern, or if its random.
 
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LouderVol said:
All I spent time searching was the current total deaths and it matched the article. But if they are correct on the past two weeks, as well as their Covid numbers, not seeing an argument against either, I would say it's looking like a valid thing to look into.

Assuming the premise of the article is true and more people are currently dying from complications with the vax vs the disease the vax treats, it seems valid to pump the breaks a bit. Do a little more research, and at least establish if there is a pattern, or if its random.
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But we heard some of the same arguments about Covid: they are counting car accidents and gunshot wounds as Covid deaths. Except in the case of the VAERS database there is absolutely no filter. There was, at one time, an entry claiming a teenage girl became pregnant after a flu shot despite being a virgin. It's been abused by anti-vaxxers, which really makes it difficult to maintain it's usefulness.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Imagine getting puled over for that busted tail light and Barney Fife or Tackleberry asks to get the K9 unit.

COVID-19 sniffing dogs being deployed in Massachusetts
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Ehhh.... they've been having people sit around and wait for the K9 unit longer than they're supposedly allowed for years. You'd be surprised how long it takes to run tags and check for warrants when the dog is on the other side of town. They just haven't been looking for covid.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Imagine getting puled over for that busted tail light and Barney Fife or Tackleberry asks to get the K9 unit.

COVID-19 sniffing dogs being deployed in Massachusetts
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I didn’t realize how many things detection dogs were used for, it’s quite impressive.
The only thing my Pekingese can detect is cheese.



 
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mad4vols said:
I didn’t realize how many things detection dogs were used for, it’s quite impressive.
The only thing my Pekingese can detect is cheese.



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Our boxer is outstanding at the next to last (scat,) he considers sampling it as his reward.
 
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bamawriter said:
But we heard some of the same arguments about Covid: they are counting car accidents and gunshot wounds as Covid deaths. Except in the case of the VAERS database there is absolutely no filter. There was, at one time, an entry claiming a teenage girl became pregnant after a flu shot despite being a virgin. It's been abused by anti-vaxxers, which really makes it difficult to maintain it's usefulness.
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Which is why I made a point about it all being unverified, and wondered why track it at all. Seems like a death certificate number would be a minimum.

At least under the VAERs the people reporting deaths wrongfully arent directly benefitting from it. Wasnt the fed putting up a 15k payment for every Covid case? Seems a lot better reason for lying than being an anti vax troll.
 
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LouderVol said:
Which is why I made a point about it all being unverified, and wondered why track it at all. Seems like a death certificate number would be a minimum.

At least under the VAERs the people reporting deaths wrongfully arent directly benefitting from it. Wasnt the fed putting up a 15k payment for every Covid case? Seems a lot better reason for lying than being an anti vax troll.
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As for hospitals getting paid per Covid, they didn't get paid for reporting cases. Rather, they got paid for treating a Covid case. If they were reporting treatment that was never provided in order to get the extra 13k, or 40k if the patient wound up on a ventilator, then the hospitals auditor also had to be in on the fraud. The other possibility is that the hospitals wanted the $ so much that they treated patients that didn't need it, that is a substantial accusation that should result in the revocation of one's license to practice medicine. So, I'm not sold that this was a widespread issue, if it was an issue at all.

As for anti-vaxxers abusing the VEARS, I think you're giving some of those nutjobs too much credit.
 
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Sea Ray said:
VAERS is a site where anyone can report something but it's not verified. I don't know what we can discern from those numbers
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The VAERS site is maddening. People reporting Pfizer Covid vaccine given to people who died before 2020. People reporting symptoms that occurred before the vaccine was started in trials. We have about 3 million Americans die yearly and if you vaccinate a large portion of your elderly population it stands to reason that about 1-2 million will die regardless based on statistics. If you give 200 million a saline shot or a multivitamin you will have 200k die within a month of administering on average. Do not envy the people having to go through that data.
 
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bamawriter said:
As for hospitals getting paif per Covid, they didn't get paid for reporting cases. Rather, they got paid for treating a Covid case. If they were reporting treatment that was never provided in order to get the extra 13k, or 40k if the patient wound up on a ventilator, then the hospitals auditor also had to be in on the fraud. The other possibility is that the hospitals wanted the $ so much that they treated patients that didn't need it, that is a substantial accusation that should result in the revocation of one's license to practice medicine. So, I'm not sold that this was a widespread issue, if it was an issue at all.

As for anti-vaxxers abusing the VEARS, I think you're giving some of those nutjobs too much credit.
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If you can code a patient with Covid the feds pick up 100% of the expenses. Covid primarily affected Medicare age adults, and Medicare reimbursement rates suck. So it was very much advantageous for any facility to label a patient Covid positive. None of this is fraud. The Feds rang the dinner bell, the hospitals answered as predictably expected.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
If you can code a patient with Covid the feds pick up 100% of the expenses. Covid primarily affected Medicare age adults, and Medicare reimbursement rates suck. So it was very much advantageous for any facility to label a patient Covid positive. None of this is fraud. The Feds rang the dinner bell, the hospitals answered as predictably expected.
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Not so. Simply coding a patient as Covid positive did nothing. The facility had to provide treatment, and the treatment would be reimbursed. If someone came in with severe food poisoning, the hospital couldn't code him as a Covid case and expect to get paid unless they were willing to treat the barfy dude for Covid.
 
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Just want to let you know that Al Gore said during the John Lewis celebration of life over the weekend that it's racist for African Americans to not get vaccinated over the weekend. Apparently African Americans are now performing racist acts against themselves since it's up to the individual on whether or not they want to get vaccinated. Elite libs know better.
 
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