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Septic said:
That's just it...

You could be asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus - in fact these are the ones to worry about the most. As more people get vaccinated and symptoms of the illness are suppressed or ignored as being something other than covid, people stop quarantining and spread the disease. In fact, my mother believes she was infected by vaccinated friend who was generally asymptomatic and who later tested positive.
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This disease, like all diseases, will run its course. It will mutate. It will spread. It will be part or our world from now on. I wonder if Covid will eventually settle into an annual cyclical return like colds and flus.
 
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evillawyer said:
Waiting for the ICU survivor video where the guy say "Eff yeah, that was awesome. So glad I didn't get vaccinated. Would do it all over again!"

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I would call this anecdotal but calling it out typically triggers those who like to call it out when it goes against their arguments. Not naming names, but we all know who they are.
 
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Septic said:
That's just it...

You could be asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus - in fact these are the ones to worry about the most. As more people get vaccinated and symptoms of the illness are suppressed or ignored as being something other than covid, people stop quarantining and spread the disease. In fact, my mother believes she was infected by vaccinated friend who was generally asymptomatic and who later tested positive.
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So unvaxxed matters not.

Someone with natural immunity, all 4 of the major vaccines, all doses, could be a asymptomatic spreader, and a danger to all, killing grandmas left and right.

This fear mongering would be fine if there was an established metric they were objectively measuring off of. Right now we are getting "good enough for government work" level of judgements from the CDC.
 
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Can someone explain why people think Desantis has done a good job with the virus? And I'm one who fully admits Cuomo botched it in NY.

 
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LouderVol said:
So unvaxxed matters not.

Someone with natural immunity, all 4 of the major vaccines, all doses, could be a asymptomatic spreader, and a danger to all, killing grandmas left and right.

This fear mongering would be fine if there was an established metric they were objectively measuring off of. Right now we are getting "good enough for government work" level of judgements from the CDC.
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OK.

You're making points to an conversation I'm not having.
 
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Septic said:
That's just it...

You could be asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus - in fact these are the ones to worry about the most. As more people get vaccinated and symptoms of the illness are suppressed or ignored as being something other than covid, people stop quarantining and spread the disease. In fact, my mother believes she was infected by vaccinated friend who was generally asymptomatic and who later tested positive.
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Wait, re-read what you are posting here...
You're making the case that the vaccinated need to be quarantined and isolated from the unvaxxed... not the other way around.
 
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evillawyer said:
Can someone explain why people think Desantis has done a good job with the virus? And I'm one who fully admits Cuomo botched it in NY.

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Because we're a year and a half into it and people are responsible to protect themselves. Give me some examples of someone making better choices when taking economic, health and freedom into account
 
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McDad said:
This disease, like all diseases, will run its course. It will mutate. It will spread. It will be part or our world from now on. I wonder if Covid will eventually settle into an annual cyclical return like colds and flus.
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The answer is yes. The world will survive. There was no need to make such a big deal out of this. I may, however, give them a mulligan early on because I am of the opinion that Fauci and people up in that level believed that this may have been a bioweapon or leaked from Wuhan based on the February 2020 email leaks. I think that their original opinions were correct based on previous cold and flu seasons (meaning no need for masks or quarantines). But once the Wuhan leak possibility presented itself and started to become a likely possibility, they went into panic/CYA mode.

But now, they are just using this for control at this point.
 
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evillawyer said:
Can someone explain why people think Desantis has done a good job with the virus? And I'm one who fully admits Cuomo botched it in NY.

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We had a brief discussion about the elasticity of ICU beds yesterday. I would recommend you check those out.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait, re-read what you are posting here...
You're making the case that the vaccinated need to be quarantined and isolated from the unvaxxed... not the other way around.
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If I were making a case, it'd be for the most at risk to get vaccinated or stfu about potential lockdowns, mask mandates etc.

We get it, you're scared of the vaccine. Just keep your yap shut when hospitals are filled up and local governments are forced to employ measures to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed. Also, if the economy takes another hit due to lock downs, be sure to look in the mirror before bellyaching about it here. It's people like you who whine about the vax being 'untested' who are being admitted to hospitals and it's hard to have any sympathy.
 
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Septic said:
If I were making a case, it'd be for the most at risk to get vaccinated or stfu about potential lockdowns, mask mandates etc.

We get it, you're scared of the vaccine. Just keep your yap shut when hospitals are filled up and local governments are forced to employ measures to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed. Also, if the economy takes another hit due to lock downs, be sure to look in the mirror before bellyaching about it here. It's people like you who whine about the vax being 'untested' who are being admitted to hospitals and it's hard to have any sympathy.
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Unneeded lockdowns, with no proof the last one helped, due to below historic norms of hospital bed usage....
 
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Septic said:
If I were making a case, it'd be for the most at risk to get vaccinated or stfu about potential lockdowns, mask mandates etc.

We get it, you're scared of the vaccine. Just keep your yap shut when hospitals are filled up and local governments are forced to employ measures to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed. Also, if the economy takes another hit due to lock downs, be sure to look in the mirror before bellyaching about it here. It's people like you who whine about the vax being 'untested' who are being admitted to hospitals and it's hard to have any sympathy.
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Here's the thing, depending on his age and health, the chances of being hospitalized are extremely small. Overall even, the chances are minutely small.

At some point we are going to have to live with this. It isn't going away. It's obvious at this point, if you believe the statistics, that lockdowns won't stop it unless they are permanent which isn't feasible in any reasonable universe of belief. The vast vast vast majority of all working age people are in an age group where this isn't a statistical threat that is significantly higher than any other risk we take on a daily basis.

I got vaccinated because i decided it would be best. But the simple fact of the matter is right now we know more about the virus and its effects than we do about the vaccine. I don't begrudge people refusing to get it.
 
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Septic said:
If I were making a case, it'd be for the most at risk to get vaccinated or stfu about potential lockdowns, mask mandates etc.

We get it, you're scared of the vaccine. Just keep your yap shut when hospitals are filled up and local governments are forced to employ measures to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed. Also, if the economy takes another hit due to lock downs, be sure to look in the mirror before bellyaching about it here. It's people like you who whine about the vax being 'untested' who are being admitted to hospitals and it's hard to have any sympathy.
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There's some good ole-fashioned fear mongering with a side of guilt. Catholic leaders are proud of your efforts here.
 
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I was in the grocery store the other day and saw a good friend of mine with a mask on. He is a gun toting, bible thumping, red-white-and-blue conservative that probably has a poster of Trump above his bed. I asked him if he thought the mask was necessary for COVID, he said no, he didn't have COVID and was vaccinated. He was wearing a mask because he had a cold and didn't want to spread it.

I bring this up for two reasons:

1. We shouldn't assume why somebody is wearing a mask or not...nor infer their political persuasion.

2. And you know what, if we normalize people wearing a mask in public when they are sick with anything that wouldn't be the worst thing and I would consider it a positive outcome of this whole experience.
 
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LouderVol said:
Unneeded lockdowns, with no proof the last one helped, due to below historic norms of hospital bed usage....
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Having the luxury of hindsight of how you objectively believe lockdowns were "unneeded" isn't a dunk, unless you have evidence that they weren't effective.

Not sure how you can foist that without proving a negative.

Hospitals and healthcare providers early on were absolutely being strained, it's revisionist history to say they weren't. The lockdowns were a measure to prevent hospital resources from completely being overrun.

Don't conflate the effect of the lockdown to prevent hospitals from being obliterated with the effect of the lockdowns on the economy, they're separate arguments and would agree that the lockdowns went on far too long and damaged the economy tremendously. I've voiced my opinion early that my governor did a great job of weighing the ROI for opening up Florida earlier than most others; he rolled the dice and won. But he did so with the knowledge that our hospitals were largely out of the woods at that point.
 
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McDad said:
There's some good ole-fashioned fear mongering with a side of guilt. Catholic leaders are proud of your efforts here.
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Hell, most of the trumpers and anti vaxxers in here are suggesting that it's about to happen again - but me telling someone who is actively avoiding a solution to help prevent the spread to not cry about it is fear mongering?

LOL
 
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Septic said:
Hell, most of the trumpers and anti vaxxers in here are suggesting that it's about to happen again - but me telling someone not to cry about it is fear mongering?

LOL
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I didn't bold your chiding to not cry about it. I put in bold the fear mongering 'extra'.

I thought the reference to religion would get to you a bit.
 
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