Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[Rasputin_Vol]

If I were making a case, it'd be for the most at risk to get vaccinated or stfu about potential lockdowns, mask mandates etc.

We get it, you're scared of the vaccine. Just keep your yap shut when hospitals are filled up and local governments are forced to employ measures to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed. Also, if the economy takes another hit due to lock downs, be sure to look in the mirror before bellyaching about it here. It's people like you who whine about the vax being 'untested' who are being admitted to hospitals and it's hard to have any sympathy.

Not "untested", just "not tested long enough for my comfort", "not FDA approved" and the drug companies have legal immunity.

 

[utvolpj]

I was in the grocery store the other day and saw a good friend of mine with a mask on. He is a gun toting, bible thumping, red-white-and-blue conservative that probably has a poster of Trump above his bed. I asked him if he thought the mask was necessary for COVID, he said no, he didn't have COVID and was vaccinated. He was wearing a mask because he had a cold and didn't want to spread it.

I bring this up for two reasons:

1. We shouldn't assume why somebody is wearing a mask or not...nor infer their political persuasion.

2. And you know what, if we normalize people wearing a mask in public when they are sick with anything that wouldn't be the worst thing and I would consider it a positive outcome of this whole experience.

I agree. My sister would be one of the few left in NYC who would lean right but will likely be wearing a mask for a long time. She even used to do it during flu season. Getting these kinds of illnesses could kill her based on medical issues so she plays it safe

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

1. We shouldn't assume why somebody is wearing a mask or not...nor infer their political persuasion.

2. And you know what, if we normalize people wearing a mask in public when they are sick with anything that wouldn't be the worst thing and I would consider it a positive outcome of this whole experience.

I can go along with that line of thinking. It can be a common courtesy, but I'm not certain I would go as far as making masks a mandate.

If we are going to mandate mask wearing, then we need to mandate hand washing after you use the restroom. That irks me more than COVID...

 

[volinbham]

I was in the grocery store the other day and saw a good friend of mine with a mask on. He is a gun toting, bible thumping, red-white-and-blue conservative that probably has a poster of Trump above his bed. I asked him if he thought the mask was necessary for COVID, he said no, he didn't have COVID and was vaccinated. He was wearing a mask because he had a cold and didn't want to spread it.

I bring this up for two reasons:

1. We shouldn't assume why somebody is wearing a mask or not...nor infer their political persuasion.

2. And you know what, if we normalize people wearing a mask in public when they are sick with anything that wouldn't be the worst thing and I would consider it a positive outcome of this whole experience.

and the bolded would be easier if we didn't have the .gov telling everyone they need to be masked whether sick or not.

 

[rjd970]

and the bolded would be easier if we didn't have the .gov telling everyone they need to be masked whether sick or not.

yep.

 

[Septic]

I can go along with that line of thinking. It can be a common courtesy, but I'm not certain I would go as far as making masks a mandate.

If we are going to mandate mask wearing, then we need to mandate hand washing after you use the restroom. That irks me more than COVID...

Many cultures do it out of the greater good mindset, they don't want to get others sick out of courtesy (among other reasons like smog.)

Our culture has proven that by and large, everyone is in it for themselves - I can't imagine a scenario where masks in public are widely accepted by all (culturally) for courtesy reasons.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

and the bolded would be easier if we didn't have the .gov telling everyone they need to be masked whether sick or not.

 

[rjd970]

I can go along with that line of thinking. It can be a common courtesy, but I'm not certain I would go as far as making masks a mandate.

If we are going to mandate mask wearing, then we need to mandate hand washing after you use the restroom. That irks me more than COVID...

Yep - if I had to pick a single pet peeve that would be it. It is literally disgusting.

 

[McDad]

I was in the grocery store the other day and saw a good friend of mine with a mask on. He is a gun toting, bible thumping, red-white-and-blue conservative that probably has a poster of Trump above his bed. I asked him if he thought the mask was necessary for COVID, he said no, he didn't have COVID and was vaccinated. He was wearing a mask because he had a cold and didn't want to spread it.

I bring this up for two reasons:

1. We shouldn't assume why somebody is wearing a mask or not...nor infer their political persuasion.

2. And you know what, if we normalize people wearing a mask in public when they are sick with anything that wouldn't be the worst thing and I would consider it a positive outcome of this whole experience.

I am a people watcher. I like to observe folks going about their day. Mask usage when sick might be a good thing for society overall. But the way people wear them, fiddle with them, touch them, use them for days at a time, are problematic against the benefits. Our nasty little hands and the lack of hand washing is more consequential than the mask (generally speaking). If you ever get the chance to have someone incubate a petri dish of agar after swabbing your cell phone, or keyboard, you should let them. And that's the stuff only you touch. Imagine all the surfaces touched by thousands that you touch without a second thought.

 

[VolnJC]

 

[bamawriter]

Can someone explain why people think Desantis has done a good job with the virus? And I'm one who fully admits Cuomo botched it in NY.

I think the vaccine rollout in Florida was handled about as well as it could have been. The messaging could have been better, but that's been true at pretty much all levels and certainly isn't an issue specific to Desantis.

That said, I have a major problem with restricting the ability of county or city governments to enact common sense mandates like masks or social distancing. Government works best the closer to the people it is. To say that Orange County or the City of Orlando should not be able to respond to a problem that might be confined to their jurisdiction is the exact opposite of conservative governance.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I am a people watcher. I like to observe folks going about their day. Mask usage when sick might be a good thing for society overall. But the way people wear them, fiddle with them, touch them, use them for days at a time, are problematic against the benefits. Our nasty little hands and the lack of hand washing is more consequential than the mask (generally speaking). If you ever get the chance to have someone incubate a petri dish of agar after swabbing your cell phone, or keyboard, you should let them. And that's the stuff only you touch. Imagine all the surfaces touched by thousands that you touch without a second thought.

Now, put 3 year olds in them and watch the nastiness ensue!

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Randi Weingarten ripped after telling MSNBC 'we're going to try' to reopen schools after CDC mask guidance

 

[MAD]

"I meant what I said," pastor doubles down on church's mask ban

Greg Locke, pastor at the Global Vision Church, has told followers that they will be asked to leave 'the tent' if they show up in masks.

"We will escort you to the door," Locke said in a recent video from his RV in Florida.

"We are a place of faith, not a place of fear," Locke went on to say. "I'm digging my heels in and I'm not changing my mind."

 

[LouderVol]

Having the luxury of hindsight of how you objectively believe lockdowns were "unneeded" isn't a dunk, unless you have evidence that they weren't effective.

Not sure how you can foist that without proving a negative.

Hospitals and healthcare providers early on were absolutely being strained, it's revisionist history to say they weren't. The lockdowns were a measure to prevent hospital resources from completely being overrun.

Don't conflate the effect of the lockdown to prevent hospitals from being obliterated with the effect of the lockdowns on the economy, they're separate arguments and would agree that the lockdowns went on far too long and damaged the economy tremendously. I've voiced my opinion early that my governor did a great job of weighing the ROI for opening up Florida earlier than most others; he rolled the dice and won. But he did so with the knowledge that our hospitals were largely out of the woods at that point.

I am not talking about past lockdowns. But the new ones that are getting thrown about.

And yes we can tell they didnt work. Georgia never had a state wide mandate, no issues worse than the rest. Florida and texas loosened up, no real change. If the measures worked we would see those states stand out. I remember all the fear mongering when it first happened, and then silence when it never came about.

I am guessing you will be the same, no need to prove a negative when I live in a proof positive state. Large enough of a sample size to be valid, long enough to prove not a fluke.

Besides, lockdowns are a change from the norm. The onus is on the people wanting to change the norm to prove their stance.

And if the medical necessary lockdowns arent tied to the rest of the lock down effects, why bother with the lockdown? Or extend it past the times of dire need? That's what we saw the government(s) largely do, which validates fighting back against future ones regardless of "need".

You are the one supporting, or at least threatening, these lockdowns.

 

[McDad]

"I meant what I said," pastor doubles down on church's mask ban

Greg Locke, pastor at the Global Vision Church, has told followers that they will be asked to leave 'the tent' if they show up in masks.

"We will escort you to the door," Locke said in a recent video from his RV in Florida.

"We are a place of faith, not a place of fear," Locke went on to say. "I'm digging my heels in and I'm not changing my mind."

Mask symbolism on the other side.

This is ridickerous.

 

[LouderVol]

Many cultures do it out of the greater good mindset, they don't want to get others sick out of courtesy (among other reasons like smog.)

Our culture has proven that by and large, everyone is in it for themselves - I can't imagine a scenario where masks in public are widely accepted by all (culturally) for courtesy reasons.

How dare we have a different culture than others. Diversity is bad

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I think the vaccine rollout in Florida was handled about as well as it could have been. The messaging could have been better, but that's been true at pretty much all levels and certainly isn't an issue specific to Desantis.

That said, I have a major problem with restricting the ability of county or city governments to enact common sense mandates like masks or social distancing. Government works best the closer to the people it is. To say that Orange County or the City of Orlando should not be able to respond to a problem that might be confined to their jurisdiction is the exact opposite of conservative governance.

They have about half the state fully vaccinated with another 12 million with at least one dose. They've actually given out more vaccine doses than there are people in their state.... FLA has a pop of 21.6 million and they have given out 22.3 million vaccine doses. Also have to remember how many old people live in that state and the younger people aren't going to have much of a problem with the virus.

Florida's current 7 day average death total is at 51. Will be interesting to see what happens in that category.

 

[rjd970]

I think the vaccine rollout in Florida was handled about as well as it could have been. The messaging could have been better, but that's been true at pretty much all levels and certainly isn't an issue specific to Desantis.

That said, I have a major problem with restricting the ability of county or city governments to enact common sense mandates like masks or social distancing. Government works best the closer to the people it is. To say that Orange County or the City of Orlando should not be able to respond to a problem that might be confined to their jurisdiction is the exact opposite of conservative governance.

100% agree. I have been saying this since the beginning. National mandates as it pertains to a pandemic like this don't make much sense.

 

[allvol123]

"I meant what I said," pastor doubles down on church's mask ban

Greg Locke, pastor at the Global Vision Church, has told followers that they will be asked to leave 'the tent' if they show up in masks.

"We will escort you to the door," Locke said in a recent video from his RV in Florida.

"We are a place of faith, not a place of fear," Locke went on to say. "I'm digging my heels in and I'm not changing my mind."

Just isnt defensible. It does not align with the behavior for the religion he represents.

 

[tpsdave]

"I meant what I said," pastor doubles down on church's mask ban

Greg Locke, pastor at the Global Vision Church, has told followers that they will be asked to leave 'the tent' if they show up in masks.

"We will escort you to the door," Locke said in a recent video from his RV in Florida.

"We are a place of faith, not a place of fear," Locke went on to say. "I'm digging my heels in and I'm not changing my mind."

Oh Greg, such a man of faith, but not much common sense.

 

[BP4Prez]

"I meant what I said," pastor doubles down on church's mask ban

Greg Locke, pastor at the Global Vision Church, has told followers that they will be asked to leave 'the tent' if they show up in masks.

"We will escort you to the door," Locke said in a recent video from his RV in Florida.

"We are a place of faith, not a place of fear," Locke went on to say. "I'm digging my heels in and I'm not changing my mind."

He’s an idiot. I’m far from a mask mandate, but this is just stupid.

 

[LouderVol]

Oh Greg, such a man of faith, but not much common sense.

Common sense is a rare commodity, regardless of denomination.

 

[Grand Vol]

I am a people watcher. I like to observe folks going about their day.

The rest of us call that "stalking."

 

[McDad]

The rest of us call that "stalking."

fair enough.

I guess you'd call it "peeping tom" when I observe them in their natural habit?