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Rasputin_Vol said:
Project MKUltra - Wikipedia

Project MKUltra (or MK-Ultra) is the code name given to a program of experiments on human subjects that were designed and undertaken by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), some of which were illegal. Experiments on humans were intended to develop procedures and identify drugs such as LSD to be used in interrogations in order to weaken the individual and force confessions through brainwashing and psychological torture. The project was organized through the Office of Scientific Intelligence of the CIA and coordinated with the United States Army Biological Warfare Laboratories. Other code names for drug-related experiments were Project Bluebird and Project Artichoke.
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The excellent show “Granite Flats” had the specter of MK-Ultra all through the plot lines.
 
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So looking at that CNBC article I found this statement to be particularly worrisome

"The CDC said the data has limitations. The agency noted that as population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of Covid cases. Additionally, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias, the agency said."

crunching these #s, 79% of the breakthrough cases were symptomatic. 1.15% of breakthrough cases resulted in hospitalization. and while the sample size is too small to have any confidence in this statement vaxxed patients were slightly more likely to be hospitalized than non vaxxed. (80% of hospitalizations were vaxxed vs 74% of cases occurring in vaxxed).
 
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volinbham said:
So looking at that CNBC article I found this statement to be particularly worrisome

"The CDC said the data has limitations. The agency noted that as population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of Covid cases. Additionally, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias, the agency said."

crunching these #s, 79% of the breakthrough cases were symptomatic. 1.15% of breakthrough cases resulted in hospitalization. and while the sample size is too small to have any confidence in this statement vaxxed patients were slightly more likely to be hospitalized than non vaxxed. (80% of hospitalizations were vaxxed vs 74% of cases occurring in vaxxed).
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So essentially a crap shoot.

One thing to consider that may rest your troubled soul with regards to what you highlighted. Could it be possible that the reason why the vaccinated represent the largest proportion of COVID cases is because they got COVID last year and maybe were more anxious than the non-COVID victims to run out and get the jab as soon as it came out? It doesn't give a timeline on when they started measuring the proportion of cases of COVID, either. If they are talking about all COVID cases, then I can maybe justify and wrap my mind around there being more vaccinated people in that population. However, if they are talking about since April or May of this year, there are more vaccinated people in that population, then that might be a real cause for concern because that would rule out any people that would have gotten it previously in 2020 before the vaccines rolled out.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
@volinbham wants to believe it is misinformation because of hesitancy, LOL.
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not sure why it's an LOL - if the goal is to drive vaccinations then you push a narrative that this is a pandemic for the unvaxxed rather than tell the public that the vax is less effective than advertised at handling Delta which increases hesitancy.

from your comments that seems to be driving your hesitancy - the effectiveness question.
 
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volinbham said:
now the interesting question is going to be is Delta more resistant to vaccinations or natural acquired immunity
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Yes, the lack of information on naturally-acquired immunity is incredibly frustrating. I know I read a piece from Israel a couple days ago that suggested reinfection remained very uncommon. I'll keep digging...
 
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volinbham said:
not sure why it's an LOL - if the goal is to drive vaccinations then you push a narrative that this is a pandemic for the unvaxxed rather than tell the public that the vax is less effective than advertised at handling Delta which increases hesitancy.

from your comments that seems to be driving your hesitancy - the effectiveness question.
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The LOL is because in essence, you would be believing that the CDC and the administration are being deceptive in an effort to push more people into getting vaccinated. Lying for a noble effort, I suppose, but then when people start to ask questions or something happens, the deception gets exposed and then you get to where we are now, where credibility is losing ground even among the vaccinated. And so, 3-4 months later when it becomes clear that the vaccinated may have to take a booster, they will then become part of the vaccine hesitant and won't trust a word they are saying...
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Yes, the lack of information on naturally-acquired immunity is incredibly frustrating. I know I read a piece from Israel a couple days ago that suggested reinfection remained very uncommon. I'll keep digging...
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My guess is it is, because if media could find substantial numbers of unvaxxed, twice infected, you'd be hearing about it from a bullhorn.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The LOL is because in essence, you would be believing that the CDC and the administration are being deceptive in an effort to push more people into getting vaccinated. Lying for a noble effort, I suppose, but then when people start to ask questions or something happens, the deception gets exposed and then you get to where we are now, where credibility is losing ground even among the vaccinated. And so, 3-4 months later when it becomes clear that the vaccinated may have to take a booster, they will then become part of the vaccine hesitant and won't trust a word they are saying...
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I never said they were smart.
 
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McSon1, 19 yoa, diagnosed with Covid today. He's been feeling crummy past 4 days. Headache, minor aches, fatigue. No fever. No loss of taste or smell. Neither McMom nor me are vaccinated. This will be an interesting 10 days.
 
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McDad said:
McSon1, 19 yoa, diagnosed with Covid today. He's been feeling crummy past 4 days. Headache, minor aches, fatigue. No fever. No loss of taste or smell. Neither McMom nor me are vaccinated. This will be an interesting 10 days.
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Yuck. Will pray for an easy course and you two to stay well. Does he live in the house with y'all?
 
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McDad said:
McSon1, 19 yoa, diagnosed with Covid today. He's been feeling crummy past 4 days. Headache, minor aches, fatigue. No fever. No loss of taste or smell. Neither McMom nor me are vaccinated. This will be an interesting 10 days.
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Yuck. Be very, very careful.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I learned today that the monoclonal antibody treatments have been changed with the evolving variants and do seem to remain very effective. Outpatients with risk factors should really consider this option.
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Would a personal physician turn this request down even if you didnt have risk factors?
 
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