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[Orangeburst]

The article was saying sh**ty masks don't work well against the delta variant. When a cheap raincoat lets water in, do you throw your hands in the air and say "I guess there's nothing I can do to stay dry"?

Are u outta your mind? Comparing total enclosure to prevent getting"wet" to someone has to exchange air to live? Cover your body and face in a raincoat and see how it goes.

 

[VolStrom]

Can we move the 2022 elections up to this year?

 

[VolStrom]

Been 13 months since you said we would soon reach, if we had not already reached, herd immunity. Are we there yet? Texas and Florida and Louisiana and Mississippi and Arkansas and .... would like to know.

Maybe if Biden quit sending 10's of thousands of covid carriers across the country things might look different, but as you would say: Thanks Joe!

 

[Grand Vol]

The article was saying sh**ty masks don't work well against the delta variant. When a cheap raincoat lets water in, do you throw your hands in the air and say "I guess there's nothing I can do to stay dry"?

****** masks didn't work well again the other variants...

Not sure this argument is going to hold up.

 

[InVOLuntary]

That's a horrificly bad analogy.

First, a car has utility besides use of force. Second, if you negligently allow a car to be stolen there is not remotely the same level of certainty it will be used for criminal activity as if you negligently allow a gun to be stolen.

Issue is foreseeability. It is reasonably foreseeable that a gun stolen form you will be used in criminal activity and cause injury. Because a car has so many other uses on a routine basis, it being stolen does not so inevitably lead to injury to others.

First, firearms have the ability to save your life. They also can be used for hunting and other sports purposes. Firearms are not solely use of force. Your statement is 100% false.

Second: The act of stealing the car in the first place is criminal activity. Anything the car is used for after it's stolen is criminal activity. It can be used for transportation to rob, rape, and murder. It can be used to run from the cops and kill therefore endangering the public. The person stealing it could get drunk and drive and therefore endanger the public. Again, your statement is 100% incorrect.

The analogy 100% applies. Quit blaming the innocent for the crimes of others. It's a stupid take.

 

[volfanhill]

First, firearms have the ability to save your life. They also can be used for hunting and other sports purposes. Firearms are not solely use of force. Your statement is 100% false.

Second: The act of stealing the car in the first place is criminal activity. Anything the car is used for after it's stolen is criminal activity. It can be used for transportation to rob, rape, and murder. It can be used to run from the cops and kill therefore endangering the public. The person stealing it could get drunk and drive and therefore endanger the public. Again, your statement is 100% incorrect.

The analogy 100% applies. Quit blaming the innocent for the crimes of others. It's a stupid take.

We just need more laws. Then those breaking the law will stop.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Been 13 months since you said we would soon reach, if we had not already reached, herd immunity. Are we there yet? Texas and Florida and Louisiana and Mississippi and Arkansas and .... would like to know.

We HAD reached herd immunity with the original virus.

The increased transmissibility and vaccine escape of the Delta variant, which we likely selected for with narrow vaccine coverage, has changed the HIT. As evidenced in countries around the world, it will take a few weeks for the required remaining subset of the population to gain immunity, then the numbers will fall again. Of course, there's always the chance for further mutations to cause later spikes.

 

[RikidyBones]

They were forced to wear a star so people could identify the Jews.

This is not calling you out, just feel the need to share.

My parents are both Holocaust survivors. Large number of my family were murdered by the Nazi’s.
As a Jew I’m asking people to please stop making comparisons between the Holocaust and Covid issues.

In case people don’t know.
The Holocaust was the genocide of European Jews during World War II. Between 1941 and 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators systematically murdered some six million Jews across German-occupied Europe, around two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population.

Nazis didn't just start to collect and murder Jews. There was a process. A process that the world would be good to study to recognize the red flags. One of my complaints about the teachings about the holocaust is that they spend all of the time on the most egregious part but they don't discuss HOW it got to that point.

I just watched a documentary on the Hungarian Jews, which were taken last. It went through how all of the steps to that point seemed harmless or so far away, it didn't matter. It obviously mattered.

 

[RikidyBones]

Apologies you think I’d want you to die. Glad you are well and recovered.

I'm just teasing you. You're good and thanks.

 

[AthensVol2007]

I do.

Not condoning the way some of them behaved, but people are ultimately tired of other people telling them how to handle the health of THEIR children and making decisions for THEIR children. Are you ok with others deciding what’s in your child’s “best interest”? One of our parents down here put it well last night to our school board, “you’re only job is to educate our kids, it’s our responsibility as parents to make decisions regarding their health.”

The school board also brought in the Dr. who leads the Covid team at our hospital to opine on the necessity of masks in schools. This is a man who last May put out an op-ed that it was time to reopen everything, everyone go back to work, etc. because it’s not as bad as we feared. He also said it’s major risk to a certain demographic group and his words were, "I think it's going to be important for everyone to understand their individual risk," he said. "If I'm 21 and healthy, the chances of me getting sick enough for this to really change my life are low — present, but low.” 14 months later he stands in a room full of parents and tells them it’s necessary to make kindergartners.

Call it anecdotal but I can speak for a 200 kid daycare/preschool and a 400 student private school (K-12) in this town who have gone since last March without a single case of a child testing positive and no kid to teacher or teacher to kid spread. I would say that’s unbelievable, except it’s not, it’s right in line with what we should expect.

 

[VolnJC]

We don't test on pregnant women but we are sure the vaccine is safe to get while you are pregnant
Signed,
Your Friends at The CDC

 

[bamawriter]

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Not condoning the way some of them behaved, but people are ultimately tired of other people telling them how to handle the health of THEIR children and making decisions for THEIR children. Are you ok with others deciding what’s in your child’s “best interest”? One of our parents down here put it well last night to our school board, “you’re only job is to educate our kids, it’s our responsibility as parents to make decisions regarding their health.”

I would agree with that in principle. I'm really not trying to argue against or in support of the school board's decision. The fact is, whatever moral high ground these parents might have had they chose to throw it away by acting like a bunch of lunatics.

And I will take a slight issue with your quote from that parent. The schools are often tasked with making decisions regarding the health of children in their care. It is a not uncommon occurrence for a classroom to be declared "nut free" if one of the kids in that class has a serious allergy. The way some of the parents were acting last night, I couldn't help but wonder if they'd respond to the "nut free" notice by saying "If you don't want your kid eating nuts, don't put nuts in his lunch! But my boy Cletus is gonna have peanut butter and Snickers in his lunch every day!"

 

[DancingOutlaw]

The article was saying sh**ty masks don't work well against the delta variant. When a cheap raincoat lets water in, do you throw your hands in the air and say "I guess there's nothing I can do to stay dry"?

You’re forgetting the parallels, to be accurate you must remember I’m wearing the ****** raincoat to keep you dry.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Hamilton county school board makes an announcement via video post at 5pm the day before school starts requiring masks. What a bunch of brave folks that clearly have a lot of conviction in their position.

 

[LouderVol]

I would agree with that in principle. I'm really not trying to argue against or in support of the school board's decision. The fact is, whatever moral high ground these parents might have had they chose to throw it away by acting like a bunch of lunatics.

And I will take a slight issue with your quote from that parent. The schools are often tasked with making decisions regarding the health of children in their care. It is a not uncommon occurrence for a classroom to be declared "nut free" if one of the kids in that class has a serious allergy. The way some of the parents were acting last night, I couldn't help but wonder if they'd respond to the "nut free" notice by saying "If you don't want your kid eating nuts, don't put nuts in his lunch! But my boy Cletus is gonna have peanut butter and Snickers in his lunch every day!"

nut free is a specific case. you can point to the child at risk, and generally know what they will be doing, and you know the consequences are high.
covid masks are an attempt at a general solution that can't point to a specific child at risk, and has very low consequences if it does hit the general population.

 

[Orangeburst]

Hamilton county school board makes an announcement via video post at 5pm the day before school starts requiring masks. What a bunch of brave folks that clearly have a lot of conviction in their position.

How can teachers and kids effectively communicate wth masks?

 

[AthensVol2007]

I would agree with that in principle. I'm really not trying to argue against or in support of the school board's decision. The fact is, whatever moral high ground these parents might have had they chose to throw it away by acting like a bunch of lunatics.

And I will take a slight issue with your quote from that parent. The schools are often tasked with making decisions regarding the health of children in their care. It is a not uncommon occurrence for a classroom to be declared "nut free" if one of the kids in that class has a serious allergy. The way some of the parents were acting last night, I couldn't help but wonder if they'd respond to the "nut free" notice by saying "If you don't want your kid eating nuts, don't put nuts in his lunch! But my boy Cletus is gonna have peanut butter and Snickers in his lunch every day!"

Except that analogy is somewhat poor because we know the adverse and fairly immediate reactions that nut allergies result in. That’s not true of covid.

 

[bamawriter]

nut free is a specific case. you can point to the child at risk, and generally know what they will be doing, and you know the consequences are high.
covid masks are an attempt at a general solution that can't point to a specific child at risk, and has very low consequences if it does hit the general population.

I'm not saying it's an apples-to-apples comparison. But it is asking some to change their behavior despite there being no personal need to so.

 

[volfanhill]

Not condoning the way some of them behaved, but people are ultimately tired of other people telling them how to handle the health of THEIR children and making decisions for THEIR children. Are you ok with others deciding what’s in your child’s “best interest”? One of our parents down here put it well last night to our school board, “you’re only job is to educate our kids, it’s our responsibility as parents to make decisions regarding their health.”

The school board also brought in the Dr. who leads the Covid team at our hospital to opine on the necessity of masks in schools. This is a man who last May put out an op-ed that it was time to reopen everything, everyone go back to work, etc. because it’s not as bad as we feared. He also said it’s major risk to a certain demographic group and his words were, "I think it's going to be important for everyone to understand their individual risk," he said. "If I'm 21 and healthy, the chances of me getting sick enough for this to really change my life are low — present, but low.” 14 months later he stands in a room full of parents and tells them it’s necessary to make kindergartners.

Call it anecdotal but I can speak for a 200 kid daycare/preschool and a 400 student private school (K-12) in this town who have gone since last March without a single case of a child testing positive and no kid to teacher or teacher to kid spread. I would say that’s unbelievable, except it’s not, it’s right in line with what we should expect.

The boo and **** on the school board. Not the people who were asked to give their professional opinion even if you disagree with it. Not saying you were the one doing that. It's like people getting mad at Fauci. It's not his fault his opinion is valued. It's our elected officials fault. Which means it's our fault.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

How can teachers and kids effectively communicate wth masks?

I was talking to my neighbor who’s kid is in speech therapy. He’s two but barely talks, they’ve kept him sequestered from children and it’s apparently having side effects. One of their other rules is the speech therapist wear a mask. The therapist has been vaccinated for months, so has the husband who takes the kid. Think he’s picking up anything in those sessions with her mask on?

 

[LouderVol]

I'm not saying it's an apples-to-apples comparison. But it is asking some to change their behavior despite there being no personal need to so.

asking is an interesting way to put it. and your some in this case is "All". and you/school need to provide a justification for the change to all. If school wants to say masks all the time for forever, thats a general change tied to a general stance. this is a specific change in response to a specific non-threat.

 

[RikidyBones]

We don't test on pregnant women but we are sure the vaccine is safe to get while you are pregnant
Signed,
Your Friends at The CDC

Might be just me but I'm not sure the word of the people that push abortion are the ones to listen to on the risk/reward of a vaccine while pregnant. Idk.

 

[LouderVol]

I was talking to my neighbor who’s kid is in speech therapy. He’s two but barely talks, they’ve kept him sequestered from children and it’s apparently having side effects. One of their other rules is the speech therapist wear a mask. The therapist has been vaccinated for months, so has the husband who takes the kid. Think he’s picking up anything in those sessions with her mask on?

its going to be weird how this Covid gap appears in society. young kids learning or socializing, young adults prepping for college, college students prepping for real world. not saying the sky is falling, but there is going to be fallout from this in society. and we are too dumb to look forward to it while we are kept busy chasing the Covid dragon.

 

[bamawriter]

Except that analogy is somewhat poor because we know the adverse and fairly immediate reactions that nut allergies result in. That’s not true of covid.

We know that the adverse consequences of Covid include death in the most extreme cases.

Again, I'm not arguing for reinstituting the mandate. I don't really have a dog in the hunt because my school-aged child is homeschooled. But I don't buy into the argument that it's absurd to request that some accept an imposition for the sake of others. I definitely don't think it's too much to ask that we not threaten doctors over it.

 

[Orangeburst]

its going to be weird how this Covid gap appears in society. young kids learning or socializing, young adults prepping for college, college students prepping for real world. not saying the sky is falling, but there is going to be fallout from this in society. and we are too dumb to look forward to it while we are kept busy chasing the Covid dragon.

Many kids are reluctant enough to speak up. Throw a mask on them?