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[hog88]

The Wet Market theory was always much more culturally insensitive than the Lab Leak theory.

Even though it was the Lab Leak theory that was deemed racist.

Students 30 years from now are going to be thoroughly confused when they are told it was the Democrats that sought to lay the blame at the feet of a culturally peculiar East Asian practice.

Students 30 years from now will just nod their heads and believe whatever they are told.

 

[Orangeburst]

Students 30 years from now will just nod their heads and believe whatever they are told.

Oh My....not gonna derail

 

[85SugarVol]

Students 30 years from now will just nod their heads and believe whatever they are told.

Some always will.

 

[NorthDallas40]

trUsT tHe ScIEnCe!!!

FBI director says COVID pandemic 'most likely' originated from Chinese lab

 

[kiddiedoc]

Heck.we should sue the CCP for allowing their citizens to eat bats in the first place. How nasty is that?

Bird's Nest Soup: China's Exclusive Delicacy Made Of Real Swallow Nests

What is A Century Egg?

 

[kiddiedoc]

trUsT tHe ScIEnCe!!!

FBI director says COVID pandemic 'most likely' originated from Chinese lab

Who's keeping score?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Who's keeping score?

@lawgator1 had an interest in which agencies concurred or were yet to concur from what I remember

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Not going to happen because we were AT LEAST complicit in the research there, if not completely at fault. There are actually links to the virus originally being created in the U.S.

And Herr Fauci was up to his eyes in it.

Hang that bastard.

 

[lawgator1]

@lawgator1 had an interest in which agencies concurred or were yet to concur from what I remember

I was curious on that. I see FBI says likely lab leak. I don't recall if they've always said that or what.

 

[volfanhill]

I was curious on that. I see FBI says likely lab leak. I don't recall if they've always said that or what.

They were the first to say so

 

[NorthDallas40]

They were the first to say so

I can’t wait for the impending slap fight between the FBI and all the three letter intelligence agencies

 

[volinbham]

Then

Fauci called Wuhan lab leak theory 'shiny object' in April 2020 email

On April 16, 2020, then-National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins sent Fauci a link to a report by Fox News host Bret Baier which stated that “multiple sources” who had been briefed on the origins of COVID-19 believed it emerged from the Wuhan lab.

“Wondering if there is something NIH can do to help put down this very destructive conspiracy, with what seems to be growing momentum,” wrote Collins. “I hoped the Nature Medicine article on the genomic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 would settle this. But probably didn’t get much visibility. Anything more we can do? Ask the National Academy [of Sciences] to weigh in?”

Fauci responds - “I would not do anything about this right now. It is a shiny object that will go away in times [sic],” Fauci responded to Collins early on the morning of April 17.

Now

in response to all the email deliberations being public and the DOE conclusion

“We must all keep an open mind to all possibilities” about the origins of the coronavirus, Fauci told The Boston Globe on Monday, adding, “we may never know” the source of the outbreak.

Impossible to argue Fauci had an open mind in 2020 when he was instrumental in shutting down the lab leak theory as fringe conspiracy stuff

 

[DC_Vol]

Then

Fauci called Wuhan lab leak theory 'shiny object' in April 2020 email

On April 16, 2020, then-National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins sent Fauci a link to a report by Fox News host Bret Baier which stated that “multiple sources” who had been briefed on the origins of COVID-19 believed it emerged from the Wuhan lab.

“Wondering if there is something NIH can do to help put down this very destructive conspiracy, with what seems to be growing momentum,” wrote Collins. “I hoped the Nature Medicine article on the genomic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 would settle this. But probably didn’t get much visibility. Anything more we can do? Ask the National Academy [of Sciences] to weigh in?”

Fauci responds - “I would not do anything about this right now. It is a shiny object that will go away in times [sic],” Fauci responded to Collins early on the morning of April 17.

Now

in response to all the email deliberations being public and the DOE conclusion

“We must all keep an open mind to all possibilities” about the origins of the coronavirus, Fauci told The Boston Globe on Monday, adding, “we may never know” the source of the outbreak.

Impossible to argue Fauci had an open mind in 2020 when he was instrumental in shutting down the lab leak theory as fringe conspiracy stuff

Who proposed the wet market origin? Was it China?

And what would be Fauci’s motivation to squash any competing theories?

Seems like any sane person would want to verify with absolute certainty that the cause of a pandemic didn’t squeak out of a Chinese bio research facility, right??

 

[lawgator1]

Then

Fauci called Wuhan lab leak theory 'shiny object' in April 2020 email

On April 16, 2020, then-National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins sent Fauci a link to a report by Fox News host Bret Baier which stated that “multiple sources” who had been briefed on the origins of COVID-19 believed it emerged from the Wuhan lab.

“Wondering if there is something NIH can do to help put down this very destructive conspiracy, with what seems to be growing momentum,” wrote Collins. “I hoped the Nature Medicine article on the genomic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 would settle this. But probably didn’t get much visibility. Anything more we can do? Ask the National Academy [of Sciences] to weigh in?”

Fauci responds - “I would not do anything about this right now. It is a shiny object that will go away in times [sic],” Fauci responded to Collins early on the morning of April 17.

Now

in response to all the email deliberations being public and the DOE conclusion

“We must all keep an open mind to all possibilities” about the origins of the coronavirus, Fauci told The Boston Globe on Monday, adding, “we may never know” the source of the outbreak.

Impossible to argue Fauci had an open mind in 2020 when he was instrumental in shutting down the lab leak theory as fringe conspiracy stuff

One problem is that he said we had to have an open mind 5 months ago. That Boston Globe article, dated yesterday, might mislead people into thinking this is brand new when it isn't.

 

[DC_Vol]

One problem is that he said we had to have an open mind 5 months ago. That Boston Globe article, dated yesterday, might mislead people into thinking this is brand new when it isn't.

Isn’t the best time to have an open mind when you have the least amount of facts?

 

[volinbham]

Who proposed the wet market origin? Was it China?

And what would be Fauci’s motivation to squash any competing theories?

Seems like any sane person would want to verify with absolute certainty that the cause of a pandemic didn’t squeak out of a Chinese bio research facility, right??

It shows up in the emails and he's said it publicly. Worries about how it reflects on science and scientists (including Chinese scientists).

More cynically, it is a major argument against GOF style research that he (and Collins) were major proponents of - so much so that they skirted the rules and gamed the "transparency" requirements to continue funding it.

It is the latter that puts him in bad actor territory for me - his desire to protect his beloved (though ethically challenged and legally barred) research made him "hide the evidence" so to speak. That and he has a massive ego (I'm the science".

 

[volinbham]

One problem is that he said we had to have an open mind 5 months ago. That Boston Globe article, dated yesterday, might mislead people into thinking this is brand new when it isn't.

His mind didn't open until the world became aware of all his private efforts to quash the theory AND other authorities had already come out with a countervailing view to his. Nowhere to hide 5 months ago.

 

[DC_Vol]

It shows up in the emails and he's said it publicly. Worries about how it reflects on science and scientists (including Chinese scientists).

More cynically, it is a major argument against GOF style research that he (and Collins) were major proponents of - so much so that they skirted the rules and gamed the "transparency" requirements to continue funding it.

It is the latter that puts him in bad actor territory for me - his desire to protect his beloved (though ethically challenged and legally barred) research made him "hide the evidence" so to speak. That and he has a massive ego (I'm the science".

Thank you.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Wow, the logical gymnastics winter event just happened in this thread. LG gets the gold medal.

 

[85SugarVol]

They were the first to say so

And the CIA is conveniently undecided.

 

[DC_Vol]

It shows up in the emails and he's said it publicly. Worries about how it reflects on science and scientists (including Chinese scientists).

More cynically, it is a major argument against GOF style research that he (and Collins) were major proponents of - so much so that they skirted the rules and gamed the "transparency" requirements to continue funding it.

It is the latter that puts him in bad actor territory for me - his desire to protect his beloved (though ethically challenged and legally barred) research made him "hide the evidence" so to speak. That and he has a massive ego (I'm the science".

I was thinking about this a little more and can’t get past the assumption that any sane person (especially at NIH) would want to know with certainty whether a dangerous virus slipped out of a Chinese research lab.

If the above is true and Fauci’s concerns are truly as he stated in the emails, then I would think it’s very likely he already knew this must have come from the lab.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Then

Fauci called Wuhan lab leak theory 'shiny object' in April 2020 email

On April 16, 2020, then-National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins sent Fauci a link to a report by Fox News host Bret Baier which stated that “multiple sources” who had been briefed on the origins of COVID-19 believed it emerged from the Wuhan lab.

“Wondering if there is something NIH can do to help put down this very destructive conspiracy, with what seems to be growing momentum,” wrote Collins. “I hoped the Nature Medicine article on the genomic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 would settle this. But probably didn’t get much visibility. Anything more we can do? Ask the National Academy [of Sciences] to weigh in?”

Fauci responds - “I would not do anything about this right now. It is a shiny object that will go away in times [sic],” Fauci responded to Collins early on the morning of April 17.

Now

in response to all the email deliberations being public and the DOE conclusion

“We must all keep an open mind to all possibilities” about the origins of the coronavirus, Fauci told The Boston Globe on Monday, adding, “we may never know” the source of the outbreak.

Impossible to argue Fauci had an open mind in 2020 when he was instrumental in shutting down the lab leak theory as fringe conspiracy stuff

He needs to keep talking and dig that hole deeper

 

[volinbham]

I was thinking about this a little more and can’t get past the assumption that any sane person (especially at NIH) would want to know with certainty whether a dangerous virus slipped out of a Chinese research lab.

If the above is true and Fauci’s concerns are truly as he stated in the emails, then I would think it’s very likely he already knew this must have come from the lab.

He and Collins were gods - they went into full protect mode. I think the Intercept has a detailed history of the the unredacted emails. The Washington Post did a big writeup more than a year ago how Fauci and Collins circumvented the GOF rules. It's like a sci-fi or action movie where the scientist is blind to the dangers of their approach and do whatever they can to keep it alive.

On the other hand I think it's been established that the Ecohealth GOF research could not have been the source of Covid but still one of the main voices telling everyone it could not have been a lab leak was the guy who got funding to do GOF research on coronaviruses. Wee bit of conflict of interest for all the characters involved.

 

[DC_Vol]

He and Collins were gods - they went into full protect mode. I think the Intercept has a detailed history of the the unredacted emails. The Washington Post did a big writeup more than a year ago how Fauci and Collins circumvented the GOF rules. It's like a sci-fi or action movie where the scientist is blind to the dangers of their approach and do whatever they can to keep it alive.

On the other hand I think it's been established that the Ecohealth GOF research could not have been the source of Covid but still one of the main voices telling everyone it could not have been a lab leak was the guy who got funding to do GOF research on coronaviruses. Wee bit of conflict of interest for all the characters involved.

Interesting. So they were protecting what exactly? Their own GOF research in general? Or something specific in Wuhan?

 

[lawgator1]

Wow, the logical gymnastics winter event just happened in this thread. LG gets the gold medal.

Hmmmmm....

What I see is this: two and a half years ago various government agencies said the likelihood was that covid was a natural mutation.

This was greeted from the right with derision. The government is lying! The government can't be trusted on this!

Flash forward to today and two government agencies say the likelihood is that it leaked from a lab.

And the reaction from the right is to embrace the news as correct and proving them right.

I think logic left this debate from the get-go, as far as the right is concerned.