Lest We Forget: those raped or killed by Illegal Immigrants.

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Vol8188 said:
Why do I care what Asians allow? I’m not understanding your point
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I'm saying other 1st world countries don't (or in Europes case didn't) allow the unfettered entrance of migrants just to be nice. Borders, citizenship, etc exist for a reason. If something doesn't benefit our citizens in some way it shouldn't be happening. We can help migrants and their problems once we solve our own.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Okay? Nothing will ever be entirely safe. Life isn’t safe. Americans kill people daily.

We should both perform background checks on people coming at their expense, and accept that no level of screening will catch all bad actors.
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People are being raped/killed by thugs who shouldn't be here. They would still be alive if that trash weren't in our country. It's that simple.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I'm saying other 1st world countries don't (or in Europes case didn't) allow the unfettered entrance of migrants just to be nice. Borders, citizenship, etc exist for a reason. If something doesn't benefit our citizens in some way it shouldn't be happening.
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Who said my motivation is kindness? And who said I was going to make any of these people citizens?

You’re making a lot of assumptions here and I’m not certain you’re attempting to understand my argument.

Also the European issue is far different because they’re not importing a majority Christian demographic
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
People are being raped/killed by thugs who shouldn't be here. They would still be alive if that trash weren't in our country. It's that simple.
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Yes. And you don’t have an answer to stop that. No answer will stop that.

“It’s that simple”
 
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Vol8188 said:
Who said my motivation is kindness? And who said I was going to make any of these people citizens?

You’re making a lot of assumptions here and I’m not certain you’re attempting to understand my argument.

Also the European issue is far different because they’re not importing a majority Christian demographic
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Well your motivation certainly isn't to the benefit of American citizens. And I said nothing about making them citizens.

I'm not certain youve made much of a rational argument at all.

It's not. Unfettered migration of conflicting cultures is impacting us both.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
If they those people are not in the United States their victims American Citizens would still be alive!
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You’re ignorantly proclaiming the ability to do something that cannot be done. Immigration will happen, regardless of whatever you propose.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Well your motivation certainly isn't to the benefit of American citizens. And I said nothing about making them citizens.

I'm not certain youve made much of a rational argument at all.

It's not. Unfettered migration of conflicting cultures is impacting us both.
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Why would American’s not benefit? Do you believe the pie to be fixed?

You brought up citizens in your last post. I did not.

Hispanic culture is not “conflicting”.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re ignorantly proclaiming the ability to do something that cannot be done. Immigration will happen, regardless of whatever you propose.
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Build a wall and close the border! If someone crosses it's immediate deportation back to where you came from no trial date, no trial.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why would American’s not benefit? Do you believe the pie to be fixed?

You brought up citizens in your last post. I did not.

Hispanic culture is not “conflicting”.
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I mentioned citizenship. Which they don't have. So they shouldn't be here.

A lot of Hispanics don't speak English. Not being able to communicate is conflicting.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I mentioned citizenship. Which they don't have. So they shouldn't be here.

A lot of Hispanics don't speak English. Not being able to communicate is conflicting.
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I’ve been to plenty of countries I’m not a citizen of, so that’s an ignorant statement.

Scary.

If you ever want to learn about immigration policy and economics, and then we could totally have this discussion later.

But if you believe more people makes us poorer somehow (what you seem to have implied) and don’t understand the difference between citizens and migrant workers, then I’m not convinced you know enough to have an actual discussion with on this topic
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’ve been to plenty of countries I’m not a citizen of, so that’s an ignorant statement.

Scary.

If you ever want to learn about immigration policy and economics, and then we could totally have this discussion later.

But if you believe more people makes us poorer somehow (what you seem to have implied) and don’t understand the difference between citizens and migrant workers, then I’m not convinced you know enough to have an actual discussion with on this topic
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I should've clarified. They shouldn't be here permanently. I thought that was obvious. They shouldn't be here at all if they crossed illegally though.

I never said poorer. I said it doesn't help us. Migrant workers and unfettered entry are two different things. I'm not sure you can differentiate well enough to have this discussion.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I should've clarified. They shouldn't be here permanently. I thought that was obvious. They shouldn't be here at all if they crossed illegally though.

I never said poorer. I said it doesn't help us. Migrant workers and unfettered entry are two different things. I'm not sure you can differentiate well enough to have this discussion.
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You were the one failing to distinguish the various categories and who proclaimed only citizens should be here.

I agree. I oppose “unfettered entry”. Did you miss my initial post? Everyone should be subject to physical evaluations (TB testing for example) and criminal background checks.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Define border closed? That’s likely were we disagree. I want background checks and physical examination of immigrants. I do not want to deny healthy people without criminal backgrounds or cartel ties
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The terrorists on 9/11 were healthy people without criminal backgrounds. I think they should have been removed from this country, before they attacked us.
 
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FortSanders said:
The terrorists on 9/11 were healthy people without criminal backgrounds. I think they should have been removed from this country, before they attacked us.
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Yes. Healthy people without criminal backgrounds kill people daily. You nor I, nor any Wylie Coyote scheme you’re about to propose can change that

What’s your point?
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I'm saying other 1st world countries don't (or in Europes case didn't) allow the unfettered entrance of migrants just to be nice. Borders, citizenship, etc exist for a reason. If something doesn't benefit our citizens in some way it shouldn't be happening. We can help migrants and their problems once we solve our own.
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"Unfettered"

Ah yes, the VN politics forum, where words are meaningless and everything is framed with ******** hyperbole.
 
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FTR, over a 3.5 year span where we apprehended > 1.4M illegal border crossers and ran their prints to find any foreign or domestic convictions....we found only 34k had any convictions at all (non-immigration convictions). That's only 2%, and these include the pettiest of crimes. Violent crime is only 0.3%. So 3 out of a 1,000 might get in a scrap, and it's probably with another immigrant. Only 26 killers, or 0.000018% (check my math, maybe one 0 too few or too many).

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People are *****ing their panties over nothing. If they were consistent, they'd be just as afraid of other Americans.

Edit: linked the wrong article
 
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Dem Rep. Nadler Slammed for appearing to Doze Off During Testimony From Families Of Migrant Crime Victims​


He was resting his case.

Longtime Manhattan Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) was mocked and criticized after he appeared to shut his eyes and rested his head during an emotional House Judiciary Committee hearing on the border crisis Tuesday.

Lawmakers were hearing from family members of victims who had suffered at the hands of violent illegal immigrants, including the mother of murdered Texas 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray.

Two Republicans on the Judiciary Committee quickly blasted Nadler — the panel’s top Democrat — claiming he wasn’t taking the testimony seriously.

Dem Rep. Nadler slammed for appearing to doze off during testimony from families of migrant crime victims
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Alexis Nungaray faulted the Biden administration’s border policies for her daughter’s Brutal Death.

Among them was Alexis Nungaray, who retold how her 12-year-old daughter was allegedly stripped naked and strangled to death by two illegal immigrants from Venezuela.

Sitting next to Nungaray was Patty Morin, whose daughter Rachel was allegedly raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant after going for a run not far from her home.

“One of the ladies that came with me, she took a picture of the Democrats on the other side as we were speaking and telling our stories, us, the mothers, mothers crying, telling our stories – and one of them is sleeping, and the other one’s on his phone,” Morin told Fox News.

“It was so disheartening.”

https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-ne...mony-from-families-of-migrant-crime-victims/#
 
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