Let's talk about Justin Worley

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Ulysees E. McGill said:
You buttwipes don't know anything about me. For the last year. I have put my life, and health on the line numerous times for millions less than these guys. Excuse me if I don't understand alligator arming passes all day, when I have had to get between lunatics who heard voices telling them to kill everybody in the hospital, and children just trying to get to the bathroom.
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What does that have to do with your analysis of Football. If you need a pat on the back call mom. Blaming Hunter for a pass dropped here and there as if he's responsible for last season is petty. It's obvious you have no clue as to what you're watching on television. Its obvious you never played a competitive sport on a level outside of Upward . If you had you wouldn't have this unhealthy obsession with Justin Hunter. You're nitpicking dude, and its sad.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Not at all. Read my response to him that he didn't respond back with and you will see I'm right just as he did.
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I do remember thinking to myself that Hunter looked lost on the field & Jones was hurt for a good stretch of the season which should have made Hunter/Rodgers the #2 man during that time, but he just didn't seem to GET IT yet.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
He was a Beast before his injury. He played last year to protect his future. I don't blame him.
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I agree with you to an extent. He was an amazing wideout until his injury but if I was a GM looking for wide receiver Talent I would not have pic hunter ( post injury)
 
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darkgable said:
You have now determined who is half hearted and who is deserving of a Vol card. Interesting. Justin Hunter did not make or break the season. You go on to call the brotha selfish. Dude you are incredibly butt hurt. I mean your butt must really hurt OR you are Mr.Vicarious OR a little bit of both. The 2013 season has come and gone I appreciate Hunter and all the other former Vols who gave their all for this team so that I could sit on the couch or in the stands and cheer them on. I also appreciate the fact that they had the courage to put up with the coaching carousel they had to endure. Now some will be earning a living in the NFL or the private sector and supporting themselves and families. To question their heart is kind of sad and petty on a jealous and pathetic level.
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Justin Hunter DID NOT give his all for the University of Tennessee( post injury).
 
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l865 said:
But one guys job was to drive around the block and the others was to drive across country.....not a fair comparison
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As far as the Vandy game goes, I'm struggling to comprehend this argument. So every play Bray ran had all receivers running streaks and posts, which forced Bray to stare at Hunter or Patterson for 5 seconds before launching bombs into double coverage. There were no check downs available to him because that's the only plays the coaches would run. But they ran shorter, easier plays that were successful in moving the ball when Worley came in because he couldn't handle Bray's plays? Even though Bray wasn't handling them very well himself?
 
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utvolpj said:
of course people do things wrong but this isn't even close to one of them. Again, how are you able to so accurately judge when a player is dogging it?



then what is it for?
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Its pretty obvious when he flops on the ground with another 5 yds in front of him to avoid contact
 
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I keep thinking that our fan base can't get any dumber, yet here some of you show me just how much I underestimate the idiocy of our fans.
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darkgable said:
You can say the same about Worley's high school tape. He looks just as good. College is not the same game. It never has been and never will be. People are wanting a true freshman to run this offense in the SEC. Think about that. A true freshman to play Florida, the cocks, the Bulldogs, and Bama. Really? Yeah lets throw this kid in the deep end of the pool first than teach him how to swim. That's good coaching. Edit: Oregon.
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I'll be the first one to admit high school tape may not amount to a hill of beans, but with Dobbs those tapes and early reports are all we have to go on. He may be awful for all I know. But him being a true freshman does not exclude him from consideration (especially for a kid who is mature beyong his years). Manning, Ainge, Bray did pretty well as true freshman in the SEC and that's just from UT.

While Worley's HS tape was also good, I have a lot more information (better information) to draw on for an opinion about him as a QB. JMHO, I've seen him in big games, mop up duty, spring games, and frankly I thought he was below average in every situation. I feel like we have a much better idea of what we have in Worley and from my vantage point, it is not impressive. I felt the exact same way with Simms.
 
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Pope John Vol VI said:
As far as the Vandy game goes, I'm struggling to comprehend this argument. So every play Bray ran had all receivers running streaks and posts, which forced Bray to stare at Hunter or Patterson for 5 seconds before launching bombs into double coverage. There were no check downs available to him because that's the only plays the coaches would run. But they ran shorter, easier plays that were successful in moving the ball when Worley came in because he couldn't handle Bray's plays? Even though Bray wasn't handling them very well himself?
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Not what I was saying they put Worley in to manage the game for a series or 2 and now he's the greatest QB ever.....it proves absolutely nothing
 
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PeytonBerry said:
I'll be the first one to admit high school tape may not amount to a hill of beans, but with Dobbs those tapes and early reports are all we have to go on. He may be awful for all I know. But him being a true freshman does not exclude him from consideration (especially for a kid who is mature beyong his years). Manning, Ainge, Bray did pretty well as true freshman in the SEC and that's just from UT.

While Worley's HS tape was also good, I have a lot more information (better information) to draw on for an opinion about him as a QB. JMHO, I've seen him in big games, mop up duty, spring games, and frankly I thought he was below average in every situation. I feel like we have a much better idea of what we have in Worley and from my vantage point, it is not impressive. I felt the exact same way with Simms.
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Sure hope that your qb evaluation skills aren't as good as your artwork. I really hope you're dead wrong on Worley...but your taste in art is impeccable.

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Vol865 said:
Its pretty obvious when he flops on the ground with another 5 yds in front of him to avoid contact
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Evidently it is not as obvious as you and I think it is. I mean, dang it only happened when he actually caught the ball. Mug had T-Rex arms all year if anybody was within 5 yards of him. But I wasn't really seeing that, cause it didn't actually happen.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Sure hope that your qb evaluation skills aren't as good as your artwork. I really hope you're dead wrong on Worley...but your taste in art is impeccable.

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Thanks, and admittedly I am no pro-evaluator. I can see both sides of the argument, but my own opinion tells me we're looking at Simms 2.0.
 
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Vol865 said:
Haven't been impressed by the little playing time he has, but I'm waiting to see what he does when they actually open up the playbook and let him throw something besides slants and hooks
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I think I recall 2 beautifully thrown 9 routes by Worley in his very limited play last year... both were dropped, one by Patterson, one by Hunter (actually hit him in the face mask iirc).
 
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Well, granted I am no pro scout or anything, just don't understand all the hate towards Worley. In the games I have seen him play, not counting spring games, I mean we're talking about practice, he has, IMHO, shown me a lot of promise. Strong accurate arm, actually makes reads and knows where his check downs are, and he seemed to have control of the huddle and an understanding that 4 yards are better than no yards. With any kind of running game this guy should be just fine. It's so hard for me to believe some of these guys are anointing Dobbs as the greatest player ever by judging his high school film. Guess what, if you are offered a scholarship to a major school, much less an SEC school, your high school tape is bound to look pretty freaking good. All this being said, I say we put a little bit of trust in the coaches and count on them putting the best team on the field. Just think of the scenario where Justin tears it up this year and we actually get to red shirt Dobbs or Ferguson, or heaven forbid, both of them and in the future we have 2 amazing 5th year qb's on our roster. I mean that sounds, to quote Donnie Berger, pretty wicked awesome to me.
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chattaboogie said:
From what I can tell Worley in his highschool career did as much if not more to get people as excited as they seem to be for the new guys. In my opinion those that think Dobbs will come in and start are just falling into the "newer is always better" mindset.

Worley has in-game experience and years of practice at the SEC level. This is exactly how I like to see quarterbacks progress. Get there feet wet as much as you can.. (or throw em the deep end if you must) and then hope they're ready when the time comes.

People have gotten used to freshman starting. This is not optimal and to already expect them to start while we have a seasoned option is pretty ridiculous. And yes he is seasoned in that he's a grown ass man whose put in the reps the last couple years and Dobbs and Ferguson are boys.

The only real question I see is could Peterman take the spot with his superior run skills.
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Good post
 
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darkgable said:
But Dobbs was offered by three Ivy League schools so he should start. Sorry. Anyway heard on one the shows that Worley is taking command of the offense and organizing workouts. I hope he gets the chance to shine personally. Do we really want true freshman coming in and starting?
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If they're better players than the upperclassmen, yes.
 
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UNAVol89 said:
If they're better players than the upperclassmen, yes.
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If you say so. Apparently there are those evaluators out there that seem be pushing for that lunacy based on a few starts and a spring game. Thank God we (me included) are not on the coaching staff.
 
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Peterman was the next big thing until we signed Dobbs. That's just how it is these days I guess. Even if someone emerges as a stud QB this year everyone will be calling for whatever QB we sign in next years class to come take his job.

I think Worley has made some nice passes in his limited time on the field and I expect that he'll do so next year as the starting QB. Honestly, I hope he blows up and is the next big thing because that would be the best thing that a Vol fan could hope for. If we are still searching for our starting QB half way through next season it means we aren't winning games. I'm ready to see the Vols back in a bowl game and headed back toward the top of the top 25 not trying a true freshman at QB after the first 2 guys failed to win the job.
 
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