Let's talk Yemen

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davethevol said:
Unfortunately, we will end up there again. Analysts have been saying that the terrorists are getting a foothold for training there.
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Moab dessert camps from high altitude. No boots on the ground.
Defend our borders for a change and let Europe worry about Europe
 
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EasternVol said:
That started out ok but went downhill quickly, after the first sentence. I wouldn't slag off on Ras considering the accuracy of your commentary.
Why do you think VN was important enough to us to get involved and then expend the lives and money we did?
I have to say that you present an interesting view to say we didn't lose in VN. We didn't win, and we skedaddled, which generally indicates a loss.
You present a really interesting, to be polite, view when you say what we could do to win in the ME. Briefly, it wouldn't be possible even if we wanted to. There's no such thing as 'our religion' and there's barely 'our culture', and the locals are more set in their ways now.
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That was the point. Ras stated you can't win in Middle East but you can, but you would NEED to have a culture/religious view point and push it on them like Arabs, Macedon, Mongolia, etc.

As for Vietnam, I think you misread me. I said it was a mistake but that is easy to say in hindsight. The belief at the time of Kennedy, when it started, was that Vietnam was going to turn Communist and create domino effect. It was our fault for backing the French who kind of caused the conflict in the first place and for getting involved in an area that was never really our issue.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF??? Are you serious?
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You said you can't win (I agree from perspective of modern US). However, it is possible to win there and I gave historic examples. Issue is to win wars like that, you have to basically destroy the culture that is in opposition to you.

I don't think it is worth US effort but I wanted to point out that these wars are winnable if you look at them a different way and throw out stuff like Human Rights or respect for local culture.
 
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$90 million here and $1 billion there. Plus the $2‐3 billion we used to help the Israelis fight off Iranian drones over a few hours and the billions being wasted in Ukraine.

Houthis Down US MQ-9 Reaper Drone For The Third Time Since November

A military spokesman for Yemen’s Houthis announced on Saturday that their forces downed a US MQ-9 Reaper drone that was operating over Yemen and was carrying out a “hostile mission.”

US officials confirmed to CBS News that a US Air Force MQ-9 drone “crashed” in Yemen early Friday morning and said they’re investigating the cause. MQ-9s are estimated to cost $30 million each, and Friday’s incident marked the third time the Houthis downed one since November.

Besides losing $90 million in MQ-9 drones, the US has also used about $1 billion in munitions in its new bombing campaign in Yemen and other operations in the Middle East that started due to Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Outside of boots on the ground or nukes, WTF can the US do?
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We know their storage areas. We know the Iranian shipping supply routes. We know where their leaders live and work. We know where their docks are that Iran uses. We don't need boots or nukes. Hit them where it counts with precision weapons. Then send in the B-52s and B-1s to carpet bomb the same sites. Just stop playing pattycake.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
We know their storage areas. We know the Iranian shipping supply routes. We know where their leaders live and work. We know where their docks are that Iran uses. We don't need boots or nukes. Hit them where it counts with precision weapons. Then send in the B-52s and B-1s to carpet bomb the same sites. Just stop playing pattycake.
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Yeah, we haven't done enough to complete the genocide of the people of Yemen. We need to carpet bomb them now to show we really care.

Or we could just leave the area. Nah, definitely carpet bombing is the right play
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
We know their storage areas.
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Yeah, they are buried. Operation Prosperity Guardian targeted those areas and couldn't do squat.
WoodsmanVol said:
We know the Iranian shipping supply routes.
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So you want to get in a direct shooting war with Iran over weapons shipments? Couldn't the Iranians, Russians or Chinese do the same to our shipments to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan?

WoodsmanVol said:
We know where their leaders live and work.
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So assassination? Again, you open yourself up to American/Western officials being targeted.

WoodsmanVol said:
We know where their docks are that Iran uses. We don't need boots or nukes.
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So that means just bombing and assassinations.

WoodsmanVol said:
Hit them where it counts with precision weapons.
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Precision weapons have not done anything thus far to these fortified and dug-in facilities.

WoodsmanVol said:
Then send in the B-52s and B-1s to carpet bomb the same sites. Just stop playing pattycake.
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You make sound like the US is being handcuffed. The truth is that bombing doesn't win wars.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yeah, we haven't done enough to complete the genocide of the people of Yemen. We need to carpet bomb them now to show we really care.

Or we could just leave the area. Nah, definitely carpet bombing is the right play
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Not to mention, before Operation Prosperity Guardian, the Saudis tried to bomb the s**t out of them for about a decade before... with American weapons. I'm sure the Saudis had knowledge of everything we had regarding weapons supply lines and storage facilities.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
We know their storage areas. We know the Iranian shipping supply routes. We know where their leaders live and work. We know where their docks are that Iran uses. We don't need boots or nukes. Hit them where it counts with precision weapons. Then send in the B-52s and B-1s to carpet bomb the same sites. Just stop playing pattycake.
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Is your family name Dulles, Kissinger, Wolfowitz, or Bolton by any chance? Maybe Clinton?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, they are buried. Operation Prosperity Guardian targeted those areas and couldn't do squat.

So you want to get in a direct shooting war with Iran over weapons shipments? Couldn't the Iranians, Russians or Chinese do the same to our shipments to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan?


So assassination? Again, you open yourself up to American/Western officials being targeted.


So that means just bombing and assassinations.


Precision weapons have not done anything thus far to these fortified and dug-in facilities.


You make sound like the US is being handcuffed. The truth is that bombing doesn't win wars.
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We use the wrong kind of bombs on buried storage sites., pattycake bombs. Should use the GBU-57 MOP.
As for assassinations, which isn't pleasant, I agree. But there is no nice way to kill your enemies.
USA is handcuffed, as we have a history of not finishing what we start. Plus, now we're very sensitive to how we're perceived by the world. Which is our own fault for playing world policeman instead of staying home where we belong.
 
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