Lindsey Nelson Stadium,

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@1RBFjr said:
After all, one nickname for home plate is the “dish.“
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Lindsey Nelson doesn’t have the same history connected to the university as Neyland, I could see them getting rid of it and don’t think people would have a huge beef.
 
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MAD said:
Lindsey Nelson doesn’t have the same history connected to the university as Neyland, I could see them getting rid of it and don’t think people would have a huge beef.
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Blasphemy!!! Lindsey Nelson Stafium at John Wilkerson Field has a nice ring to it. By then Amazon might actually open.
 
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Volfan1000 said:
I think a Pilot type naming rights partnership will happen for Lindsey Nelson Stadium.

Perhaps Charlie Ergan and Dish Network will be the next partnership.
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Can you imagine if Cas Walker was still active in Knoxville and could bid on stadium naming rights or operate a business in the new Entertainment District! What a showman!
 
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Rushin Orange Collusion said:
Can you imagine if Cas Walker was still active in Knoxville and could bid on stadium naming rights or operate a business in the new Entertainment District! What a showman!
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I can imagine Cas Walker going down to the field and giving CFA the business while the Mull family held service…not good.
 
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preacherman20 said:
I tried to get some people to go get the SEC sign and few other things if they were trashing them. Can you imagine what the LNS sign on the front would sell for?
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UT had an online auction for the old VOLS lettering on Neyland years ago. I think it was on the UT auction site back in 2006 or so. They should do the same for any of the signage at LNS or bequeath it to John Wilkerson.
 
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www.on3.com

Lindsey Nelson Stadium renovation updates, plan for 2025 season

Tennessee sent out an updated memo baseball season ticket holders and media on the updates to the Lindsey Nelson Stadium renovation project.
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Not being a season ticket holder - don't get me started on that subject again, I did not get the referenced emal.

In reading what will be complete in the article; it appears the "hat" will no be complete. In other words, the suites and club seats.

I wonder where the broadcasters will go?
 
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The 2025 punch list items from article:

– 4 seat tabletop units (4Topps) along the right field line (Yay! More waste of space seats that will be vacant for 75% of the games)
– Additional chairback seats under a new mezzanine level (So the top section will be in place? but no one sitting above)
– Permanent net system (does this mean no pole obstructions?)
– Left field bar on main concourse (behind the current 4Topps section) (I assume this means a more permanent structure than was in place for 2024)
– Right field student section (this will make more seats available and make it harder on right fielders)
– 1st Baseline restrooms and concessions (I assume this means more permanent structures in the former playground plaza)
– Renovated restrooms on main concourse behind home plate (they need to remove the concession areas under main grandstand and make this all restrooms) Move all food and souvenir sales to wings)
– Enhanced seating behind home plate (brand new cushioned MVP style seats; these seats will increase in price with access to the MVP room and those amenities in 2026) (I know several MVP ticket holders were not happy with the plans for the MVP seats)


Stuff ready in 2026: Home plate entrance and plaza area
  • Third level suites and club space
  • Sound system (what prevents this from being done in 2025?)
  • Kitchen
  • Team merchandise shop and ticket office
  • Player entry corridor
  • 3rd Baseline restrooms and concessions (So the empty areas behind the 2024 expansion will remain empty in 2025?)
  • Fully completed mezzanine level
  • Renovated concessions on main concourse behind home plate (so much for my comment above about moving concessions)
  • MVP room expansion (why does UT want their prime seating areas at Neyland and LNS to look empty on TV)
  • Multiple elevators (no need to add elevators if no one's sitting up there in 2025)
  • Permanent LED lighting (See sound system comment above)
 
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taylorvol said:
As many have speculated, the relocation of the utilities has resulted in significant construction delays, thus LNS won’t be finished until 2026.

www.knoxnews.com

Completion of Tennessee baseball's Lindsey Nelson Stadium renovations delayed until 2026 season

Tennessee is the midst of a multiyear renovation project at Lindsey Nelson Stadium. The project was slated to be completed before the 2025 season.
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It's amazing that EVERY SINGLE infrastructure project in Knoxville is delayed by these "relocation of utilities."

It took almost 31 months to renovate Henley Street Bridge but it only took 15 months to build in 1930-1931.

The Interstate 40 expansion in the Papermill/640/Alcoa Highway area seemingly took a decade as few saw any workmen working at the site for much of that time. The News-Sentinel posted an article saying they were working underground. (Sure)

It took almost three years to build the new Broadway viaduct. The old one took about a year and it was delayed a month or 2 due to last minute additions of trolley line and those ridiculous ramps from Jackson Ave.

With better equipment and engineering there's no excuse for these delays.

Think about the Thompson-Boling Arena delayed for years as they were stunned to find caverns in Knoxville next to the river.

Government is far too lenient with contractor and engineers not meeting completion goals. It's almost as if there's some sort of relationship between government and private contractors. If the contractor does not have the men and equipment to complete the job, then don't bid on it.!!!!

If a designer and/or engineer doesn't know that Knoxville's economy was almost entirely limestone based at one time, then is stunned to discover limestone caves under their $50 million (80s money) arena project, then they should be held accountable.
 
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fryeguy93 said:
It's amazing that EVERY SINGLE infrastructure project in Knoxville is delayed by these "relocation of utilities."

It took almost 31 months to renovate Henley Street Bridge but it only took 15 months to build in 1930-1931.

The Interstate 40 expansion in the Papermill/640/Alcoa Highway area seemingly took a decade as few saw any workmen working at the site for much of that time. The News-Sentinel posted an article saying they were working underground. (Sure)

It took almost three years to build the new Broadway viaduct. The old one took about a year and it was delayed a month or 2 due to last minute additions of trolley line and those ridiculous ramps from Jackson Ave.

With better equipment and engineering there's no excuse for these delays.

Think about the Thompson-Boling Arena delayed for years as they were stunned to find caverns in Knoxville next to the river.

Government is far too lenient with contractor and engineers not meeting completion goals. It's almost as if there's some sort of relationship between government and private contractors. If the contractor does not have the men and equipment to complete the job, then don't bid on it.!!!!

If a designer and/or engineer doesn't know that Knoxville's economy was almost entirely limestone based at one time, then is stunned to discover limestone caves under their $50 million (80s money) arena project, then they should be held accountable.
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That’s why the contractor had an infrastructure clause in the contract… 🤣
 
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fryeguy93 said:
With better equipment and engineering there's no excuse for these delays.

Think about the Thompson-Boling Arena delayed for years as they were stunned to find caverns in Knoxville next to the river.

Government is far too lenient with contractor and engineers not meeting completion goals. It's almost as if there's some sort of relationship between government and private contractors. If the contractor does not have the men and equipment to complete the job, then don't bid on it.!!!!

If a designer and/or engineer doesn't know that Knoxville's economy was almost entirely limestone based at one time, then is stunned to discover limestone caves under their $50 million (80s money) arena project, then they should be held accountable.
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First, its actually up to the owner to provide the information for anything below grade, and any existing conditions. 95 times out of 100 the geo-tech engineer is hired directly by the owner, not the design professional or contractor. if there is a failure here, its on UT.

Secondly. even if they did the right things there is no way to catch all the problems. the way that type of geotech work happens is by drilling holes. those holes are about one foot in diameter. chances are pretty high you will miss some of those caverns. you aren't going to drill 1000 holes all over the place, its maybe 30.

third, the standards change as well. so even if the school and the geotech did everything correctly, the codes update every 3 years. and what may have been buildable 10 years ago, may no longer be allowed. especially as the design is getting heavier, so even if the codes didn't change, the stadium is getting bigger and heavier, that will have different impact on the process. so it may have been safe to put 5000lbs on a cavern, but not safe to put 10,000 lbs on the same cavern.

fourth, beyond the structural challenges, the under ground utilities have to navigate more and more things under ground. stadium is getting bigger, that requires more drainage, larger pipes may have to go lower than the existing areas where there were no issues before. most of those caverns are upside down bowl shaped, narrower at the top, wider at the bottom. maybe before at the shallower depths and smaller pipes the caverns weren't an issue, but with deeper bigger pipes they could have uncovered new problems that didn't exist before.

fifth, the contractor and design professional should have built in some agreed upon amount of "extra" into the design. but if the site conditions go beyond that extra, they can't cover it. the school shouldn't have an open ended contract, that is just an opening for highway robbery.

sixth, it could be totally on the city causing delays with inspections, or some bs permit process. you would assume the city and UT would have a great relationship, but they usually don't. and the city is very cautious to allow risks for its flagship college, young students, and important highly visible projects.

just food for thought. it could still be 100% a screw up, but it doesn't have to be. If the school wants promises on delivery they are going to have to provide 100% accurate info, and they are going to have to pay more than they typically would to get the quality that can/will guarantee delivery. you are talking probably 25% mark ups, at the least.
 
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LouderVol said:
First, its actually up to the owner to provide the information for anything below grade, and any existing conditions. 95 times out of 100 the geo-tech engineer is hired directly by the owner, not the design professional or contractor. if there is a failure here, its on UT.

Secondly. even if they did the right things there is no way to catch all the problems. the way that type of geotech work happens is by drilling holes. those holes are about one foot in diameter. chances are pretty high you will miss some of those caverns. you aren't going to drill 1000 holes all over the place, its maybe 30.

third, the standards change as well. so even if the school and the geotech did everything correctly, the codes update every 3 years. and what may have been buildable 10 years ago, may no longer be allowed. especially as the design is getting heavier, so even if the codes didn't change, the stadium is getting bigger and heavier, that will have different impact on the process. so it may have been safe to put 5000lbs on a cavern, but not safe to put 10,000 lbs on the same cavern.

fourth, beyond the structural challenges, the under ground utilities have to navigate more and more things under ground. stadium is getting bigger, that requires more drainage, larger pipes may have to go lower than the existing areas where there were no issues before. most of those caverns are upside down bowl shaped, narrower at the top, wider at the bottom. maybe before at the shallower depths and smaller pipes the caverns weren't an issue, but with deeper bigger pipes they could have uncovered new problems that didn't exist before.

fifth, the contractor and design professional should have built in some agreed upon amount of "extra" into the design. but if the site conditions go beyond that extra, they can't cover it. the school shouldn't have an open ended contract, that is just an opening for highway robbery.

sixth, it could be totally on the city causing delays with inspections, or some bs permit process. you would assume the city and UT would have a great relationship, but they usually don't. and the city is very cautious to allow risks for its flagship college, young students, and important highly visible projects.

just food for thought. it could still be 100% a screw up, but it doesn't have to be. If the school wants promises on delivery they are going to have to provide 100% accurate info, and they are going to have to pay more than they typically would to get the quality that can/will guarantee delivery. you are talking probably 25% mark ups, at the least.
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Very nice explanation. 👏 👏 Thank you!
 
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...and they say will be done in 2026 now:

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