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GVF said:
actually quite true. Start in Hebrews chapter 7
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We have a chapter in Psalms about using instruments to make music to worship God. I understand that is Old Testament and the C of C thinks that the OT is for reference only. Do you really think that a just God would send you to hell for failure to understand that something written in his book no longer applied and the penalty was eternal damination? Really?

I can understand the "we are just being safe" story. But if you are going that route, then get rid of all your other "aids" to worship....view graph machines, microphones, PA systems, computer projectors, whatever. None of that is deemed ok in the New Testament.
 
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Thought of another question...do they have dances on campus at David Lipscomb these days?
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Thought of another question...do they have dances on campus at David Lipscomb these days?
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no......(not yet)

the sga actually booked a dance band to play for the students and at the last minute it was axed by the admin.

I also know that there was a wedding at a COC in Brentwood that had a big band play at the reception held at the church in the gym and there was dancing.

IMO, at time progresses a bit more the dancing of the swing era will be slowly eased into the mainstream and it will be accepted. The swing style isnt as sexual aka grinding etc.. so its viewed as more family friendly.
 
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GVF said:
well then...you should go to Abilene Christian.
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They brought out some really attractive ones on my recruiting trip to Faulkner - that actually factored into my decision, lol.

One of my roommates that year was from Tyler, TX and eventually transferred to (I think) Abilene Christian.

ACU was a little bit further than I wanted to go from home. Faulkner felt far enough from Rocky Top due to being 40 minutes from Auburn's campus the year they went undefeated ('04-'05).
 
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Let me put the analogy this way, concerning music.

Let's say today you get pulled over by a cop. Cop comes to you, "Son, you were going 25 over." You say, "Yes, I know, I'm just choosing not to recognize that law." The cop is confused, and asks "Are you not an American?" You reply, "Oh yes, and I keep all the other laws, I just don't obey the speed limit, I don't recognize that as a law." You gonna keep a ticket or not?

Paul says in Galatians 5:3 that whoever kept circumcision (A mandatory part of the Old Law) is OBLIGATED to keep the WHOLE law. If you keep one part, you have to keep all. Just like, if you are an american, then just must choose to obey the speed limit (or at least recognize it as a law)

Yes, music was allowed in the Old Testament. But if you read, only once did God ever command it, and when he did, he told the people exactly what to play, where to stand, how to tune their instruments, what and when to play. So number one, it was VERY specific, not what we do today.

But it was not repeated in the New Testament. It was not a part of it. All New Testament historians agree that instruments were not used by the 1st century church. They were definitely and available. However, not used, or mentioned. Every time that instruments are mentioned in the NT, it is not in a worship setting.

Therefore, if it's not a part of the New Law, and we do it because it's a thing of the Old Law, then shouldn't we also bring back animal sacrifices, keeping the Sabbath, and all of the other things of the Old Law? And if we keep the Old Law, wouldn't Paul say to us that "Christ is no advantage to you?" (Galatians 5:2)

John Calvin wrote, "It [itstrumental music] were only to bury the light of the Gospel, should we introduce the shadows of a departed dispensation."

Just wanted to comment on that.
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
We have a chapter in Psalms about using instruments to make music to worship God. I understand that is Old Testament and the C of C thinks that the OT is for reference only. Do you really think that a just God would send you to hell for failure to understand that something written in his book no longer applied and the penalty was eternal damination? Really?

I can understand the "we are just being safe" story. But if you are going that route, then get rid of all your other "aids" to worship....view graph machines, microphones, PA systems, computer projectors, whatever. None of that is deemed ok in the New Testament.
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I want to address this as well. Are instruments and aid, or are they an addition? And are aids wrong?

Well, when God told Noah to build an ark, do you think he said, "Oh, and you can't use any hammers or nails or glue on it." I mean, God's command to Noah was "build an ark, and do it this high, this wide, and out of gopher wood." That's what he left it at. Noah, in order to build that ark, would have had to use hammers, nails, and other tools to complete it. But the project was still completed. Hammers, nails and glue were only expedients that were used to carry out the command given.

Are songbooks, PA systems, powerpoints, microphones aids? Yes they are. Are they wrong? No. Why? Consider if Noah had used oak instead of gopher. Is that wrong? Yes. Changed the command didn't he? Went away from it.

If I'm singing with a songbook, and then I stop singing, you will hear nothing. The songbook doesn't add to, or overtake my singing. If I'm using a powerpoint and I'm singing with the powerpoint, and I stop, you will hear nothing. It doesn't overtake or add to my singing.

But if I'm singing with an instrument, and I stop singing, then you'll still hear the instrument. Therefore, it overtook and added to my singing. It is VERY different from an aid. An aid helps us to carry out a command, instruments do not. They come along in addition to what we're doing.

Not trying to start anything, btw, I'm just trying to spread some of my knowledge on the topics.
 
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Have you ever seen the movie A Few Good Men? In the courtroom scene at the end, they discuss the rules in the Marine handbook. There are official rules ( the important stuff); and then there are the unwritten rules...like how to find the mess hall, code reds, etc.

If the C of C chooses to not have instrumental music, I am 100% fine with that. If a church chooses to sacrifice animals, I am 100% fine with that. To me, those type issues are just little details similar to finding the mess hall and code reds.

Where I have a problem with the C of C is that they judge the others to be wrong. I am not saying all C of C do that. However, I attended for 20 plus years and most in my church judged the others to be wrong.

And the music is just one example; there are many. My C of C believed that you had to be dunked to be bapitized. Sprinkling was no good. Yes, I know the story about going down into the river. But if it was so important that it would keep you out of heaven, would they not have made that really clear in the New Testament? Once again, I am fine with the C of C dunking. But don't judge the others.

In general, the Calvinites got zoomed in on a bunch of little details that don't amount to a hill of beans. There is an old saying that reads, "Avoid having your ego so close to your position that, when your position fails, your ego goes with it." That is where the C of C stands today. They have believed that old garbage for so long that now that the position has failed, they are floundering.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I want to address this as well. Are instruments and aid, or are they an addition? And are aids wrong?

Well, when God told Noah to build an ark, do you think he said, "Oh, and you can't use any hammers or nails or glue on it." I mean, God's command to Noah was "build an ark, and do it this high, this wide, and out of gopher wood." That's what he left it at. Noah, in order to build that ark, would have had to use hammers, nails, and other tools to complete it. But the project was still completed. Hammers, nails and glue were only expedients that were used to carry out the command given.

Are songbooks, PA systems, powerpoints, microphones aids? Yes they are. Are they wrong? No. Why? Consider if Noah had used oak instead of gopher. Is that wrong? Yes. Changed the command didn't he? Went away from it.

If I'm singing with a songbook, and then I stop singing, you will hear nothing. The songbook doesn't add to, or overtake my singing. If I'm using a powerpoint and I'm singing with the powerpoint, and I stop, you will hear nothing. It doesn't overtake or add to my singing.

But if I'm singing with an instrument, and I stop singing, then you'll still hear the instrument. Therefore, it overtook and added to my singing. It is VERY different from an aid. An aid helps us to carry out a command, instruments do not. They come along in addition to what we're doing.

Not trying to start anything, btw, I'm just trying to spread some of my knowledge on the topics.
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My view on that is that the instrument is indeed merely an aide to the singing. I am not into the details of music but American Idol would seem to support that for us. They start them off singing acapella. Then as they progress along, they add in the instruments to improve the sound.

So if I understand correctly, you are saying that the instrument is ok as long as we are singing along with it. However, if you stop singing and the instrument is playing by itself, then we are sinning?
 
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My beliefs have changed a lot since growing up in a conservative C of C. My opinion is, you aren't going to hell because you played music in church. Good grief, give me a break. At least you are there worshiping. I don't really like it because I find it a bit distracting because that is what I am used to, but I don't think its wrong if others do it.
 
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Just a thought on legalism:

When Jesus came to earth it was the deeply religious he targeted because their religion kept them from a relationship with God.

Jesus was mentioned hanging out in the New Testament just a handful of times in temples. If you wanted to find Jesus look in the homes of sinners.

When you die Jesus isn't going to have a checklist (which is great because no one will have it 100% correct). If you have a relationship with Jesus you will be covered in His blood.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
My beliefs have changed a lot since growing up in a conservative C of C. My opinion is, you aren't going to hell because you played music in church. Good grief, give me a break. At least you are there worshiping. I don't really like it because I find it a bit distracting because that is what I am used to, but I don't think its wrong if others do it.
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Solid
 
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San Diego Vol said:
My beliefs have changed a lot since growing up in a conservative C of C. My opinion is, you aren't going to hell because you played music in church. Good grief, give me a break. At least you are there worshiping. I don't really like it because I find it a bit distracting because that is what I am used to, but I don't think its wrong if others do it.
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Yey for you San Diego! That is exactly my point to the C of C crowd.
 
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CofC stereotypes are more ridiculous than CofC beliefs. Lot of ignorance in this thread.

Can this be moved or renamed.. Cause it clearly has nothing to do with the NCAA or Jordan Burgason.
 
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Me as well sdv. God wants a relationship with you. Imo, He doesn't care how you got there. If He did, he'd be no better than those that judge those that think differently.

And frankly, messages I send to friends and family are misinterpreted as part of the communication process. I don't know how so many people don't consider that messages from the beginning of time might not mean the same thing 2000 years later. God gave us brilliant minds. I don't think some people use the thinking part enough. Jmo.
 
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jacklikesbeans said:
Just a thought on legalism:

When Jesus came to earth it was the deeply religious he targeted because their religion kept them from a relationship with God.

Jesus was mentioned hanging out in the New Testament just a handful of times in temples. If you wanted to find Jesus look in the homes of sinners.

When you die Jesus isn't going to have a checklist (which is great because no one will have it 100% correct). If you have a relationship with Jesus you will be covered in His blood.
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Legalism? Well, I have never heard that term. Has that been around a long time or is something new? That somewhat sums up my thoughts.

That was pretty much where I was leading my C of C friend from above. If you want to get all caught up in the little details, then don't just pick and choose. Go all in! First let's start with taking care of the body...the temple of god. No tobacco use allowed. And the Mormons have it right...you need to quit the caffine. And don't even get me started on why we have wine in the NT...(I know..I know...the water was bad back then)...lol
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Legalism? Well, I have never heard that term. Has that been around a long time or is something new? That somewhat sums up my thoughts.

That was pretty much where I was leading my C of C friend from above. If you want to get all caught up in the little details, then don't just pick and choose. Go all in! First let's start with taking care of the body...the temple of god. No tobacco use allowed. And the Mormons have it right...you need to quit the caffine. And don't even get me started on why we have wine in the NT...(I know..I know...the water was bad back then)...lol
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Lol. Love the wine arguments
 
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TBrown said:
CofC stereotypes are more ridiculous than CofC beliefs. Lot of ignorance in this thread.

Can this be moved or renamed.. Cause it clearly has nothing to do with the NCAA or Jordan Burgason.
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That doesn't make sense. What CoC beliefs are ridiculous? If stereotyping is off base? You countered your own statement.
 
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TBrown said:
CofC stereotypes are more ridiculous than CofC beliefs. Lot of ignorance in this thread.

Can this be moved or renamed.. Cause it clearly has nothing to do with the NCAA or Jordan Burgason.
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I attended the C of C for the first 22 years of my life. 11 of the 18 members of my immediate family are C of C. What am I sterotyping?
 
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San Diego Vol said:
Lol. Love the wine arguments
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Are you a teetotaler, in moderation, or a drunk, SD?


I can't believe that no one has yet stepped up and said, "Yes, we are the only ones going to heaven" That was widely believed 30 years ago. Did they teach that in your church?
 
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the whole wine and beer thing does intrigue me, JH. My goal one day is that the next time I'm in Germany I want to try to attend a coc church there and try to get their philosophy on drinking beer. For us over here, beer/wine are frowned upon and considered sinful but that's also because we abuse it (for lack of a better term). If we're gonna drink beer, by gosh we're getting drunk and stupid. On the other side is the European countries that view beer/wine much like we do iced tea. Its just another beverage. As we know, the Europeans are much less religious than us so the question in my mind is beer drinking a bit more tolerated because they dont abuse it like we do or is it because they are less religious/more open to beer/wine than us.
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Are you a teetotaler, in moderation, or a drunk, SD?


I can't believe that no one has yet stepped up and said, "Yes, we are the only ones going to heaven" That was widely believed 30 years ago. Did they teach that in your church?
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seriously, in my 47 years I've never heard one preacher ever say that. I've never even heard another church member say that
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Are you a teetotaler, in moderation, or a drunk, SD?


I can't believe that no one has yet stepped up and said, "Yes, we are the only ones going to heaven" That was widely believed 30 years ago. Did they teach that in your church?
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My business partner is Mormon. He doesn't believe they will be the only ones in Heaven, but I think other mormons may. He does think he will be up high and I'll be down in the heaven hood.
 
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GreveHaller said:
the whole wine and beer thing does intrigue me, JH. My goal one day is that the next time I'm in Germany I want to try to attend a coc church there and try to get their philosophy on drinking beer. For us over here, beer/wine are frowned upon and considered sinful but that's also because we abuse it (for lack of a better term). If we're gonna drink beer, by gosh we're getting drunk and stupid. On the other side is the European countries that view beer/wine much like we do iced tea. Its just another beverage. As we know, the Europeans are much less religious than us so the question in my mind is beer drinking a bit more tolerated because they dont abuse it like we do or is it because they are less religious/more open to beer/wine than us.
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Yes GH, it is a very interesting topic. Here, you start to broaden out from the C of C. I think that the Baptist also teach that alcohol is wrong...even in moderation. Not sure about the Methodist?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
My business partner is Mormon. He doesn't believe they will be the only ones in Heaven, but I think other mormons may. He does think he will be up high and I'll be down in the heaven hood.
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Yes, the different levels of heaven. I read a book on that back 3-4 years ago. Seemed a little weird to me but maybe? I'm trying not to judge...except for San Diego..who I have determined is going to be the only drunk, part-time C of C, lawyer, Vol fan, in heaven.
 
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