Looks Like The 'AA Has Declared Open Season On Phonies.

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Don't make any bets on Tressel getting hit. On that subject, what about ESPN knowing about the Ohio St. situation & sitting on the story? You think NCAA will impugn the honor of their biggest gravy train? Naaaaaaa...
 
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UT IE 95 said:
The president didn't force Cal to welcome him back. Hunt could have gone to school and never set foot in Cal's program again. But Cal needed Hunt to win. Fact is, by your definition in this thread, Cal is a phony.

The rest of your rant is a failed attempt to change to subject. You bringing Fulmer into every thread is old. Just let him go like everyone else has.
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Actually I think you are wrong. Hats definition of a phony is someone who acts like they are a saint and is clearly not....hence the word phony. As much as I dislike Cal becuase he is a piece of garbage, Hat is right, atleast he doesn't act like he is Mother Teresa.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I love how you conveniently leave out the university president's role in that whole thing. Then again, you're the guy who said Nick Saban To Alabama wouldn't have any effect on Phillip Fulmer and Cal couldn't win in the SEC. Your bias is obvious. Anyone who supported a piece of trash like Fulmer, who was essentially running a work release program his last five years, should probably steer clear of ethical debates.
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Like you supported Huggins? Keep up the good "you support a piece of trash at the same time I support a piece of trash that does the same thing" argument.
 
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feathersax said:
Don't make any bets on Tressel getting hit. On that subject, what about ESPN knowing about the Ohio St. situation & sitting on the story? You think NCAA will impugn the honor of their biggest gravy train? Naaaaaaa...
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I think people are placing far too much importance on OSU having a strong athletic program when trying to predict the sanctions..
 
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zehr27 said:
Actually I think you are wrong. Hats definition of a phony is someone who acts like they are a saint and is clearly not....hence the word phony. As much as I dislike Cal becuase he is a piece of garbage, Hat is right, atleast he doesn't act like he is Mother Teresa.
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So when has Frank Beamer stood up and said that every player he recruits is a saint? I missed that press conference.

Also, when you say you are playing by the rules and have done nothing wrong, and you are doing wrong that is a phony.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If they are cheating, it's the 'AA's job to catch them. If they don't, that's on them. Thus, as long as you don't parade around like you're some sort of icon of ethical behavior, I don't particularly care.
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What constitutes "Parading around as an icon of ethical behavior" .... IYO
 
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While we're on the topic of cheaters, can anyone think of a few examples of coaches who have had a lot of success while running legitimately clean programs? May be hard to prove a coach is clean, though.
 
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tvols75 said:
Like you supported Huggins? Keep up the good "you support a piece of trash at the same time I support a piece of trash that does the same thing" argument.
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You really are this dense. When Huggs cloaks himself with talk about being a "molder of men," those situations will be comparable. Until then, I'll just laugh at the fact you're one of the people who was stupid enough to buy Pearl's act.
 
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tvolsfan said:
While we're on the topic of cheaters, can anyone think of a few examples of coaches who have had a lot of success while running legitimately clean programs? May be hard to prove a coach is clean, though.
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Bob Knight is probably the gold standard for winning while strictly adhering to NCAA rules.
 
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tvolsfan said:
While we're on the topic of cheaters, can anyone think of a few examples of coaches who have had a lot of success while running legitimately clean programs? May be hard to prove a coach is clean, though.
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Joe Beasman Hall.
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tvolsfan said:
While we're on the topic of cheaters, can anyone think of a few examples of coaches who have had a lot of success while running legitimately clean programs? May be hard to prove a coach is clean, though.
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As far as following recruiting rules and everything, Bob Knight was squeaky clean. Now of course he had some anger issues, but he ran a tight ship.


Edit: Just saw Hat's post, didn't mean to double post. Bob Knight comes down hard on the likes of Calipari. He said some pretty damning things a couple of years ago. He is one of the only guys I respect when it comes to talking about coaches and their recruiting tactics, as he didn't cheat.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You really are this dense. When Huggs cloaks himself with talk about being a "molder of men," those situations will be comparable. Until then, I'll just laugh at the fact you're one of the people who was stupid enough to buy Pearl's act.
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So when did Frank Beamer do this, as you have mentioned his name.
 
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tvolsfan said:
While we're on the topic of cheaters, can anyone think of a few examples of coaches who have had a lot of success while running legitimately clean programs? May be hard to prove a coach is clean, though.
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"Legitimately clean" is a tough standard to quantify. I look at it this way, if a coach makes sure he and his staff adhere to the rules as best as humanly possible and polices the boosters as well as practical, that's all you can expect. Plenty of guys do that.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You really are this dense. When Huggs cloaks himself with talk about being a "molder of men," those situations will be comparable. Until then, I'll just laugh at the fact you're one of the people who was stupid enough to buy Pearl's act.
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In a Sports Illustrated Article about Huggins (a pro-Huggins article in case you were wondering).

On his player's character

That happens all around the country and he believes his players have been picked on and are, in fact, as good and as smart and as decent as any other program's players.


Yep, it seems like he was never in denial and always accepted having the penitentiary playing for him. And being a "molder of men" is exactly what he has tried to do. He has always painted a picture of being a guy that was out for the player's interest.
 
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tvols75 said:
In a Sports Illustrated Article about Huggins (a pro-Huggins article in case you were wondering).

On his player's character

That happens all around the country and he believes his players have been picked on and are, in fact, as good and as smart and as decent as any other program's players.


Yep, it seems like he was never in denial and always accepted having the penitentiary playing for him. And being a "molder of men" is exactly what he has tried to do. He has always painted a picture of being a guy that was out for the player's interest.
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Given that his players' actual graduation rates are at or ahead of pretty much every other power program in college basketball, the as smart as part is dead on. He's certainly never had a third of his roster arrested a few hours after a game with weapons and drugs. If punching a police horse is your idea of high crime, have at it.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I've hit the worst offenders already. If asked for a few more, I'd name Craig Robinson and Darrin Horn in basketball and Dumbo Fisher and Chip Kelly in football.
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Darrin Horn? Hat you're full of **** plain and simple. I highly doubt you have any more knowledge than a common bball fan in regards to Horn's time at Western. Now at USC's he's done nothing but bring in mostly 3* kids from SC & NC. Where does this raise any cause for concern?

You know Darrin Horn's closet skeletons at the same time know all about the academic standings of most VT football recruits? Wow you must be God.
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tvols75 said:
So when has Frank Beamer stood up and said that every player he recruits is a saint? I missed that press conference.

Also, when you say you are playing by the rules and have done nothing wrong, and you are doing wrong that is a phony.
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Your just not getting it...
 
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hatvol96 said:
Given that his players' actual graduation rates are at or ahead of pretty much every other power program in college basketball, the as smart as part is dead on. He's certainly never had a third of his roster arrested a few hours after a game with weapons and drugs. If punching a police horse is your idea of high crime, have at it.
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This was in reference to his player at Cincy. Now go into how it was the stupid NCAA rules that had his graduation rate one of the worst every year.
 
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tvols75 said:
He has always painted a picture of being a guy that was out for the player's interest.
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He hasn't painted any picture. His guys, who universally swear by him, are the ones who paint that portrait. Huggs doesn't give the first damn what you think. Unlike mentally weak, attention whoring trash the ilk of which coaches Tennessee now, he cares what his guys, his friends, and the people who sign his checks think. What Joe Dumbass Public thinks is about as important to him as the price of pork futures in China.
 
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tvols75 said:
This was in reference to his player at Cincy. Now go into how it was the stupid NCAA rules that had his graduation rate one of the worst every year.
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You might want to check UC's graduation rates Huggs' last five years there, even by the 'AA's ridiculous methods. It will keep you from looking silly. While you're at it, dial up Milwaukee's graduation rates under Bruce Pearl.
 
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tvols75 said:
So when did Frank Beamer do this, as you have mentioned his name.
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tvols75:

There's no sense in arguing with Hat because he'll simply state his opinion with such authority that its supposed to be taken as fact. Couple that with the fact that just about everyone in the bball forum stays on their knees for Hat, thereby validating his authority.
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