LSU, Oregon, and Oregon State require vaccine or negative test to attend football games [merged]

[Devo182]

Ever been through airport security when 100,000 travelers are trying to get through at once?

They already check tickets and bags. Good lord. And there are a dozen or whatever entries. People streaming in for over an hour.

You'd think these people don't grasp basic logistics, when they've been doing it decades, from some of these posts.

It's their problem anyway. They've decided an extra few seconds per person is worth it to their communities.

 

[RobertPellitt]

Ever been through airport security when 100,000 travelers are trying to get through at once?

Well I don't know of any such event, but I'm assuming all will have to wait until the get checked. Or maybe your idea of airlines should be a good example. Certain seats get called first in the stadium and each section/gate has a certain time. Really not that hard to manage. If you get enough hotdogs and pretzels in the stadium you can check vaccine cards.

The other point is maybe, just maybe LSU has thought about that and has considered a plan.

 

[RobertPellitt]

@RobertPellitt To be really clear the CDC specifically went out of their way to NOT test the vaccinated AND told them to stop quarantining if they had direct contact with C19. The CDC literally refuse to test the vaccinated while pinning the current spreading on those who are unvaccinated. It was all good until that little incident in Massachusetts where 75% of the spreading was from fully vaccinated individuals.

What is the true vaccine breakthrough rate? The CDC doesn't want you to know.

At the end of the day though none of that matters...where there is risk there must be choice. Mandating a medical procedure is NEVER a good thing. Pretending that there aren't serious and fatal issues with these Covid vaccines (more than all the other vaccines combined) is appalling. Go take a look at OpenVAERS to see the latest on deaths, hospitalizations, permanent disability, anaphylaxis, heart attacks, Bells Palsy...the list goes on and on. Read the awful stories that these families have experienced. Any other time in history and these vaccines would have been stopped immediately but for some reason it's okay now.

The fact that natural immunity isn't accepted pretty much tells me all I need to know. Follow the money...there is zero reason to participate in this experiment.

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I tend not rely on twitter for important information. Maybe you should send this tweet to the LSU Athletic Director, I am sure he will admit error and turn right around and end the policy.

 

[LWSVOL]

I think you may have missed the point actually. The point is there are limitations on all sorts of "personal rights" that people think they have. But if you want to keep it to a medical situation that is fine. It is illegal in Tennessee, and every other state, to knowingly have sex with another person while having an STD without telling them before hand. If I have an STD it is a crime to have sex with whoever I want and keep my medical history to myself. I see it the same way. If you are a carrier of COVID, exposed to COVID or desire not to get the vaccine, thus leading to the likelihood of you having it and not knowing, then yes, the government should step in a protect others from your decisions.

You left out being vaccinated and having covid. I just had to go test because I was exposed to a vaccinated covid carrier.

 

[RobertPellitt]

It’s illegal in the state of Tennessee for a state entity to mandate a vaccine for entry. So on that specific front we are good. Keep voting Republicans in, I don’t agree with everything they do but it’s our last defense against complete tyranny

How is that Executive Order holding up against Nashville Metro Schools and Shelby County Schools? Gov. Lee hasn't challenged their mask policy has he? I know the reason why and he does too. No federal court will ever think that Executive Order is valid. If Randy wanted to do this he could in a heart beat.

 

[RobertPellitt]

You left out being vaccinated and having covid. I just had to go test because I was exposed to a vaccinated covid carrier.

Well you found the loophole. If someone has the vaccine and has COVID and wants to go to a game, well I guess this policy doesn't catch that. We would hope morality, and good citizenship would. Even if the policy doesn't catch that very rare circumstance it does catch a whole lot more.

 

[golfballs]

Well I don't know of any such event, but I'm assuming all will have to wait until the get checked. Or maybe your idea of airlines should be a good example. Certain seats get called first in the stadium and each section/gate has a certain time. Really not that hard to manage. If you get enough hotdogs and pretzels in the stadium you can check vaccine cards.

The other point is maybe, just maybe LSU has thought about that and has considered a plan.

They said they’ll accept photocopied cards and pictures of ones. Imagine tasking ushers with the task of vetting those?

 

[LWSVOL]

Well you found the loophole. If someone has the vaccine and has COVID and wants to go to a game, well I guess this policy doesn't catch that. We would hope morality, and good citizenship would. Even if the policy doesn't catch that very rare circumstance it does catch a whole lot more.

More and more are getting COVID everyday that have been vaccinated. She went 6-7 days with minor symptoms before deciding to be tested. She felt like she had a cold but once a rash happened, when she decided to test. Most people that get COVID, won't know they have it but can still transmit it to others.

I doubt all the scenarios have even been identified yet.

 

[OrangeEtBlanc]

Out of curiosity, why would you not favor at least having a negative test?

I don’t favor any kind of vaccine proof or test requirement for attendance, but at least they allow for a negative test instead of forcing one to have the vaccine to attend.

EDIT: The vaccine doesn’t prevent infection and spread, and the negative test in this instance must be from within 3 days of the event. A person could still unknowingly contract covid, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated, within that time frame. This is not effective and unnecessary, in my opinion.

 

[sjt18]

FWIW, the CDC avoids and even engages in deception concerning naturally acquired immunity. While claiming there isn't enough evidence to prove its efficacy... they claim that vaccines provide lasting immunity even though studies of naturally acquired immunity have data dating to BEFORE the vaccines were released for use. We have more direct data showing natural immunity lasts yet they cast doubt on it while declaring a belief that the vaccines provide lasting immunity.

In one particular article, the title and teaser suggest that vaccines provide double the protection of natural immunity. The actual article says that vaccines cut the risks in half among those who have already had the virus... while failing to mention that natural immunity is 99% effective to begin with. A vaccine then lowers the risk of reinfection from 1% to .5%... not by half.

 

[lukeneyland]

How is that Executive Order holding up against Nashville Metro Schools and Shelby County Schools? Gov. Lee hasn't challenged their mask policy has he? I know the reason why and he does too. No federal court will ever think that Executive Order is valid. If Randy wanted to do this he could in a heart beat.

I don’t think he’s made an order regarding masks

 

[VolNExile]

Masks don’t work because they don’t stop the wearer from getting anything. You can still get it and people have it’s been documented enough times.

The shot doesent work because even if you got it you can still get it. I know several first responders that got it and still got covid

So, tell me, what’s the next post they’ll lean on?

Masks REDUCE the chance of getting it.

Vaccines REDUCE the severity of infection if you do have a breakthrough infection.

Trying to make things all-or-nothing, either-black-or-white, doesn’t do anything to improve understanding. It’s just yelling.

 

[sjt18]

I would love to drive drunk, but freaking libertards infringe on that right. Who am I hurting but myself? ******* made me put out my cigar in a resturant lately, my lawyer will be brought into this. Cop ticketed me for not not having my two year old in a car seat. Bureaucrats just don't want true freedom.

Orange... meet apple.

In the drunk driving example you present the EXACT opposite of what we have here. Here people are choosing NOT to put something in their body that might cause THEM harm. Your example is someone putting something in their body that presents a direct physical threat to someone else.

If someone does not want the vaccine then they're risking their OWN HEALTH, not yours. You can take the vaccine to protect YOU from THEM.

 

[VolNExile]

Orange... meet apple.

In the drunk driving example you present the EXACT opposite of what we have here. Here people are choosing NOT to put something in their body that might cause THEM harm. Your example is someone putting something in their body that presents a direct physical threat to someone else.

If someone does not want the vaccine then they're risking their OWN HEALTH, not yours. You can take the vaccine to protect YOU from THEM.

People choosing not to take the vaccine are risking their own health AND mine. And more importantly (to me), the health of my aged mother and mother-in-law and of my 4-year-old grandson.

Variants have more opportunities to develop when a greater percentage of the population don’t have immunity. A large unimmunized population (no previous infection and not vaccinated) means a larger Petri dish for disease to grow and flourish.

If people don’t want to get vaccinated, at LEAST have the decency to mask up (with real masks) and keep your distance. Love your neighbor as yourself. You have rights, but so do others.

 

[sjt18]

Dude. The vaccine was never intended to be a magic pill. Nobody ever said that.

LOL... yeah, they did. The first sales pitch was "if you get vaccinated life will go back to normal". Masks are another fraud but some businesses STILL have signs saying that if you are "fully vaccinated" you don't have to wear a mask.

But it has proven to reduce the spread of the virus and certainly reduce the impact on someone who has been infected.

I reduces the VACCINATED PERSON'S chances of getting the virus but not by the %'s claimed by CDC or pharma. It looks as if it is actually closer to 60% than 90%.

I never argued that you would not get it. LSU didn't say that, but what doctors and the CDC are saying is that it greatly reduces the spread and that is an important tool in containing the virus and limiting the numbers of patients being treated in hospitals.

And that is STILL a choice best left up to an informed public... not one that we should EVER accept authorities imposing on someone.

And there is STILL deception concerning natural immunity. They are pushing a group with 99% immunity to take this vaccine for very, very little additional benefit. A person like me who can show you my antibody test results on my phone would be turned away though I am MUCH less to infect someone than those with only the vaccination. Do you want to know why? Follow the money. The 2 shot vaccine averages $45 per person. Two hundred million Americans alone have taken it. That's a $9 BILLION windfall for pharmaceutical companies that have tentacles running through CDC, NIH, WHO, and politicians who are pushing these vaccines on people... and now moving past pushing to something WORSE.

Look at the CDC website, it is more trustworthy than whatever that was you linked. Geez, this is not that difficult to comprehend.

I do... and no... it really isn't. The entire narrative is pushing the vaccines. I posted a major problem with what they're doing above. They are ignoring if not suppressing information concerning the efficacy and durability of naturally acquired immunity. Can you not stop for a moment and really consider WHY they would do that?

Just as an aside, if the vaccine helps you not get the virus, it therefore helps stop the spread. So if people are vaccinated in a crowded stadium it stands to reason that if someone has it, the spread of it will be much harder for the virus.

It does not "stop the spread". It reduces the number of people who get it which indirectly reduces opportunities for spread. Breakthrough infections which are MUCH more common than they earlier claimed... result in spread equal to or greater than the unvaccinated.

AND... in case you didn't see the link I gave earlier concerning "leaky vaccines" like these... they're KNOWN to facilitate mutations of more virulent strains of viruses. That has been known since long before Covid... and isn't political or part of a narrative. If you want to "virtue" signal as so many of you are prone to do... then the "vaccinated" may very well be contributing to the more dangerous variants... which are killing the unvaccinated. It isn't the unvaccinated who threaten the vaccinated... just the opposite.

 

[sjt18]

People choosing not to take the vaccine are risking their own health AND mine.

No more than those who refuse the flu shot if YOU took your vaccine.

And more importantly (to me), the health of my aged mother and mother-in-law and of my 4-year-old grandson.

And you STILL don't have a right to demand someone else take a vaccine that may harm or even kill them.

Variants have more opportunities to develop when a greater percentage of the population don’t have immunity. A large unimmunized population (no previous infection and not vaccinated) means a larger Petri dish for disease to grow and flourish.

That's simply not true. Leaky vaccines like these have long been associated with the cultivation of more virulent strains of viruses. This information is readily available on the web and predates the politics, narratives, and disinformation since Covid started.

If people don’t want to get vaccinated, at LEAST have the decency to mask up (with real masks) and keep your distance. Love your neighbor as yourself. You have rights, but so do others.

You've bought the whole lie... haven't you? The data is now in and has been collated by credible scientists. Masks did not stop or even slow the spread of Covid. Science... always said they wouldn't but political narratives where leaders had to appear to be "doing something" pushed masks anyway. The virus spreads mainly by aerosols and small particles that remain airborne. Those are small enough to pass through most of the masks used by people in public. Worse yet, some have shown that the virus cells captured in masks can eventually become airborne when someone breaths or talks.

So to summarize... I had Covid in January. We did NOT mask up at my work place but DID install bipolar ionization air filters on all of our HVAC. We've had NO transmission at work. My daughter brought Covid home to us. She works in a nursing home that followed CDC guidance to the absolutely letter. They remain masked at all times and test weekly. They've had 10 or more transmissions among staff AT WORK.

I tested last week and have antibodies 7 months later. I am LESS of a threat to you, your mom, and your grandchild than a fully vaccinated person who never had the virus who wears a mask at all times.

 

[99gator]

If there is one thing, just one thing, I have learned from Covid and our involvement in Afghanistan, it’s that we should trust experts and the government.

They don’t ever lie and they’re never wrong

 

[deezvols]

Cool ..you got good seats ??? .. be glad to take them off ya hand .. go home and watch on the TV in the recliner

Oh they implemented that policy?

 

[VolNExile]

You've bought the whole lie... haven't you?

Ok, obviously there are no grounds for discussion here.

Go Vols.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I suspect nationwide vaccine mandates for the vast majority of all businesses will be here within 3-6 months.

 

[Hallie]

You can't talk sense into these people .. they would rather keep infecting folks and making more people seriously sick .. heaven forbid somebody tell them something to do ..their attitude is I don't care if more people die and get infected .. nobody is gonna tell me what to do .. what an outlook there .. me me me me .. forget anybody else ..

 

[OrangeEtBlanc]

You can't talk sense into these people .. they would rather keep infecting folks and making more people seriously sick .. heaven forbid somebody tell them something to do ..their attitude is I don't care if more people die and get infected .. nobody is gonna tell me what to do .. what an outlook there .. me me me me .. forget anybody else ..

The vaccinated can still get infected and spread COVID.

Some of us have ALREADY had COVID. How are we being selfish if we don’t wish to take a vaccine that’s rather superfluous for us at this point?

 

[VolNExile]

The vaccinated can still get infected and spread COVID.

Some of us have ALREADY had COVID. How are we being selfish if we don’t wish to take a vaccine that’s rather superfluous for us at this point?

Because data shows that previous infection + vaccination results in greatly superior immunity levels.

Just as we are seeing that immune response from vaccinations drops precipitously after 6-8 months, previous infection is definitely helpful, but not lasting.

And again, immunity levels from previous infection AND vaccination do fade over time, allowing new variants to emerge. Unfortunately, there isn’t a one-time magic bullet that makes all risk go away. But risk (especially of severe illness and death, which is the focus of concern) can be reduced by boosting immune levels. And I take vitamin D, but I don’t pretend that it’s significant protection.

 

[OrangeEtBlanc]

Because data shows that previous infection + vaccination results in greatly superior immunity levels.

Just as we are seeing that immune response from vaccinations drops precipitously after 6-8 months, previous infection is definitely helpful, but not lasting.

And again, immunity levels from previous infection AND vaccination do fade over time, allowing new variants to emerge. Unfortunately, there isn’t a one-time magic bullet that makes all risk go away. But risk (especially of severe illness and death, which is the focus of concern) can be reduced by boosting immune levels. And I take vitamin D, but I don’t pretend that it’s significant protection.

So, am I being selfish because I am hesitant about a taking a vaccine for a virus I have previously had, even when we don’t know it’s potential long-term complications? Some people have had severe adverse reactions to the vaccine, so why should I take that risk over my natural immunity? And we don’t really know how long that immunity lasts—it could be shorter, could be longer.

My first priority is my family, thus taking a vaccine with unknown long-term effects is a greater risk, in my opinion, than worrying about a virus I have had natural immunity to. Even if I were to be vaccinated, that would not rule out that I could STILL get re-infected and become contagious to others. In fact, I could get vaccinated, still unknowingly contract COVID, and still attend a UT football game.

This policy protects no one. A better policy would be to mandate a recent negative test instead of a test OR vaccine. While a few may catch COVID within 72 hours of the game, it is better than most assuming they are safe simply by the vaccine.

If people are afraid of getting COVID or are very susceptible to it due to health conditions, they shouldn’t go to a football game where they can still get infected even if vaccinated.

 

[VolNExile]

So, am I being selfish because I am hesitant about a taking a vaccine for a virus I have previously had, even when we don’t know it’s potential long-term complications? …

No, you’re not being selfish, if you wear a mask and reduce contact with others (maintain distance, etc.) But those who insist on their own perceived rights to do whatever they want and ignore how these rights interfere with the rights of others are selfish. Me me me me, over everyone else.

— and that whole “stay home if you’re scared” (as you wrote but not quoted) is very much a me me me thing. It’s saying that you’ll do whatever you like and to hell with others. It’s just as offensive as those saying that if you’re not vaccinated, stay home.

There needs to be a place where those who choose not to be vaccinated can meet those who do, with precautions (masking + social distancing for the unvaccinated) and COMMON COURTESY (whatever happened to that??) by both groups shown to those who choose a different path.