LSU, Oregon, and Oregon State require vaccine or negative test to attend football games [merged]

[sjt18]

Taking a covid test is surrendering your civil liberties? The horror.

No. Having someone DEMAND that you show private medical information to enter a government operated/regulated public event is a violation of civil liberties.

It also makes no sense whatsoever. If you believe in the vaccines and take it then you have no reason to fear an unvaccinated person, right? If unvaccinated people are really at high risk and know that vaccines are available... then who are YOU to tell them they cannot assume those risks?

The risks associated with alcohol are very significant. Close to 100,000 people will die EVERY YEAR from alcohol related causes. Do you propose roaming breathalyzers at football games or to prevent these "dangerous folks" from entering?

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

as I already told you. Vax'd people dont care. If you are antivax because of your religion you are exempt, but have to be respectful of the general population. The larger population. That is what community and duty is. I am fully vax'd, and will be until this is over, but I fully understand the "wait and see's". I think we have seen enough.

 

[RobertPellitt]

My right not to be in a car accident then supersedes the right to smoke pot, right? The right we have to not have HIV spread across the population supersedes the right of homosexual men to have sex, right? I have a right to demand you take a flu shot, right? Your car might be stolen and run over me... so you should surrender your right to own a car right?

You may think this is "ridiculous"... but no more than your demand that others take a vaccine that may harm them so you can "feel safe". The propaganda... has worked on you. And as Twain I believe said... it is much easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.

I didn't argue that my right to smoke weed and get in a car was to your detriment. I never even suggested that was a possibility. Earlier in the thread (which you should read) I made the exact point that you did. There are absolutely limitations on freedoms. I don't have the right to drive my car to endanger you. No person, not even a gay man, which I find strange that you mentioned specifically and clearly shows some form of homophobia, has the right to spread AIDS. So you don't have the absolute right to do whatever you want without getting the vaccine. LSU has made that obvious.

And if medical research done in labs is "propaganda" then my advice to you is never go to the doctor, never take any medication and see how things turn out for you.

 

[sjt18]

Taken directly from the CDC website. I know you think its some hippy commie rag now full of socialists and foreigners. P.S. It is not they are scientists and doctors!

COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

Dude. It ONLY prevents spread by those who do not get it. It does NOT prevent spread by vaccinated people who get infected.

FAQ: Can Vaccinated People Spread COVID-19? Here's What We Know

Infections of vaccinated people are understated in the US since we do not have random or comprehensive testing. Many vaccinated people experience very mild symptoms and do not get tested. Only those who voluntarily test, test as part of work, or show symptoms get tested. Since 80% do not experience severe symptoms... there are a LOT of vaccinated spreaders out there.

This is even worse. These vaccines are what is known as "leaky" or imperfect vaccines. A perfect vaccine like that for smallpox works 100% on a certain % of the population. In the case of smallpox that's close to 100% of the population. A "leaky" vaccine does not provide 100% immunity to anyone. It simply lowers the chances of infection from each exposure. So whereas an unvaccinated person has say a 1 in 100 chance of getting infected from a particular exposure... a vaccinated person would have a 1 in 800 chance.

The bad news on leaky vaccines... is that they have long been known or suspected of contributing to MORE virulent mutations of viruses. This article predates Covid so it isn't tainted by anyone's narrative or argument. When it was written, it was simply a boring, obscure medical article that few laymen read.

‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses

 

[RobertPellitt]

Dude. It ONLY prevents spread by those who do not get it. It does NOT prevent spread by vaccinated people who get infected.

FAQ: Can Vaccinated People Spread COVID-19? Here's What We Know

Infections of vaccinated people are understated in the US since we do not have random or comprehensive testing. Many vaccinated people experience very mild symptoms and do not get tested. Only those who voluntarily test, test as part of work, or show symptoms get tested. Since 80% do not experience severe symptoms... there are a LOT of vaccinated spreaders out there.

This is even worse. These vaccines are what is known as "leaky" or imperfect vaccines. A perfect vaccine like that for smallpox works 100% on a certain % of the population. In the case of smallpox that's close to 100% of the population. A "leaky" vaccine does not provide 100% immunity to anyone. It simply lowers the chances of infection from each exposure. So whereas an unvaccinated person has say a 1 in 100 chance of getting infected from a particular exposure... a vaccinated person would have a 1 in 800 chance.

The bad news on leaky vaccines... is that they have long been known or suspected of contributing to MORE virulent mutations of viruses. This article predates Covid so it isn't tainted by anyone's narrative or argument. When it was written, it was simply a boring, obscure medical article that few laymen read.

‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses

Dude. The vaccine was never intended to be a magic pill. Nobody ever said that. But it has proven to reduce the spread of the virus and certainly reduce the impact on someone who has been infected. I never argued that you would not get it. LSU didn't say that, but what doctors and the CDC are saying is that it greatly reduces the spread and that is an important tool in containing the virus and limiting the numbers of patients being treated in hospitals.

Look at the CDC website, it is more trustworthy than whatever that was you linked. Geez, this is not that difficult to comprehend.

Just as an aside, if the vaccine helps you not get the virus, it therefore helps stop the spread. So if people are vaccinated in a crowded stadium it stands to reason that if someone has it, the spread of it will be much harder for the virus.

 

[Dudleys87]

Missing the point in its entirety. You judging the effectiveness of the education system is not the same thing as whether it is funded and required by the government. That is a socialist idea. Taking money from workers and giving it to a government to support a system that has no direct benefit to the person that may have been taxed equals socialism. But it works. What people are complaining about are socialist ideas that they don't like.

While your education, clearly, was not what it should have been. Mine was. I thank you. My parents thank you. My kids thank you. My siblings thank you. In fact all of America thinks you for educating our population with tax dollars. I'll send you a thank you card if you give me your address.

You missed the point but hey I’ve come to expect it.

 

[RobertPellitt]

You missed the point but hey I’ve come to expect it.

I guess you not being able to articulate the point you are making is my fault since you think I'm a Socialist. Good night and good bye.

 

[Dudleys87]

Masks don’t work because they don’t stop the wearer from getting anything. You can still get it and people have it’s been documented enough times.

The shot doesent work because even if you got it you can still get it. I know several first responders that got it and still got covid

So, tell me, what’s the next post they’ll lean on?

 

[Dudleys87]

I guess you not being able to articulate the point you are making is my fault since you think I'm a Socialist. Good night and good bye.

Did I call you a socialist or did I call you a crackpot? Your the person that hangs it’s hat on our education system like it’s great. When it’s not at all. The US ranks in the bottom or on the bottom of almost every major category.

You assume a lot. Prolly shouldn’t do that since your tunnel vision prevents you from seeing anything other than your leftist ideals. So you, can take a long walk off a short pier. Thank you and goodnight, crackpot.

 

[lukeneyland]

Via Rucker:

There is no policy at Neyland Stadium
Some say it’s permanent.

We’ll see.

It’s illegal in the state of Tennessee for a state entity to mandate a vaccine for entry. So on that specific front we are good. Keep voting Republicans in, I don’t agree with everything they do but it’s our last defense against complete tyranny

 

[Vfl2407]

LSU puts stringent COVID rules in place for fans

 

[butchna]

Already announced…no.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

It’s illegal in the state of Tennessee for a state entity to mandate a vaccine for entry. So on that specific front we are good. Keep voting Republicans in, I don’t agree with everything they do but it’s our last defense against complete tyranny

That is the assumption I was operating under, but I re-read that law today and I think there is a reasonable legal argument that requiring a vax passport or negative test does not violate the law because (1) going to a game is a choice, so you're not really mandating that anyone get vaccinated and (2) the negative test result is an option so there is a choice. I don't likelihood of success, but I think a university could do this and see if they get enjoined.

 

[volfanhill]

Vaccines aren’t 100 percent

No vaccine is

 

[lukeneyland]

That is the assumption I was operating under, but I re-read that law today and I think there is a reasonable legal argument that requiring a vax passport or negative test does not violate the law because (1) going to a game is a choice, so you're not really mandating that anyone get vaccinated and (2) the negative test result is an option so there is a choice. I don't likelihood of success, but I think a university could do this and see if they get enjoined.

That is the assumption I was operating under, but I re-read that law today and I think there is a reasonable legal argument that requiring a vax passport or negative test does not violate the law because (1) going to a game is a choice, so you're not really mandating that anyone get vaccinated and (2) the negative test result is an option so there is a choice. I don't likelihood of success, but I think a university could do this and see if they get enjoined.

I saw a state Rep talking about how Neyland wouldn’t be subject to this. Hope he’s right I think he is. Here is some of the law: “ prohibits state or local governmental official, entity, department, or agency requiring physical documentation or digital storage of protected health information related to an individual's immunization or vaccination against COVID-19 as a condition of entering upon the premises of a state or local government entity, or utilizing services provided by a state or local government entity”. As it’s strictly written I think we are good

 

[lukeneyland]

No vaccine is

That’s true but some vaccines are more effective than others. It seems like Polio and Small Pox vaccines are almost 100 percent effective

 

[OH-Vol]

This entire nightmare would be over if everyone got a simple vaccination. I hope all sports, concerts, travel etc.. make vaccination an absolute requirement

 

[Impossible Girl]

For those worried this will happen at UT. It can’t, unless they change the law they just passed.

Geez. The sports animal spent an hour on this and those “journalists” couldn’t do some investigative reporting.

Tennessee General Assembly Legislation

 

[volfanhill]

This entire nightmare would be over if everyone got a simple vaccination. I hope all sports, concerts, travel etc.. make vaccination an absolute requirement

Incorrect. You would need to wait until the third world gets their doses. Where did the delta variant originate? Which also why it's silly we are talking boosters for us instead getting the vaccine out to the rest of the world.

 

[onthehill71]

So you don't mind this kind of violation of civil liberties?

Let's try your commitment to this principle. How about flu vaccines? How about proof that someone doesn't have HIV or other serious STD since they might meet an unsuspecting new partner at a game?

Why not demand your complete vaccination record and medical history? Just how far are you really willing to go in giving up your RIGHT to keep your medical data private?

I had Covid in January. The CDC gravely warns people that they do not have research showing how long natural immunity lasts... they claimed 90 days. I'm at 7 months and still have antibodies. A study from Washington U in St Louis with a significant sample group had their participants up to 11 months around 3 months ago.

Oh, btw, the Covid vaccines are what is known as "leaky vaccines". They don't give a % of those taking the vaccine 100% immunity. Smallpox vaccines are so close to 100% with 100% immunity that it has been eliminated from all modern societies. Leaky vaccines give a significant number of recipients a lower risk of getting Covid. They claim 90% but most vaccinated people experience very mild symptoms... but are FULLY capable of spreading the virus. A comprehensive study of new Covid cases in 7000 people in Israel showed 40% fully vaccinated. Only 1% were reinfections in people who previously had Covid.

If you want to know why this is being pushed so hard... follow the money.

I would love to drive drunk, but freaking libertards infringe on that right. Who am I hurting but myself? ******* made me put out my cigar in a resturant lately, my lawyer will be brought into this. Cop ticketed me for not not having my two year old in a car seat. Bureaucrats just don't want true freedom.

 

[irish1485]

At least they are allowing for a negative test in lieu of vaccine proof for admission, which I feel is a somewhat fair compromise, though I still don’t favor it.

Out of curiosity, why would you not favor at least having a negative test?

 

[SayNoToJorts]

LSU leading the charge

 

[GBOx2]

Dude. It ONLY prevents spread by those who do not get it. It does NOT prevent spread by vaccinated people who get infected.

FAQ: Can Vaccinated People Spread COVID-19? Here's What We Know

Infections of vaccinated people are understated in the US since we do not have random or comprehensive testing. Many vaccinated people experience very mild symptoms and do not get tested. Only those who voluntarily test, test as part of work, or show symptoms get tested. Since 80% do not experience severe symptoms... there are a LOT of vaccinated spreaders out there.

@RobertPellitt To be really clear the CDC specifically went out of their way to NOT test the vaccinated AND told them to stop quarantining if they had direct contact with C19. The CDC literally refuse to test the vaccinated while pinning the current spreading on those who are unvaccinated. It was all good until that little incident in Massachusetts where 75% of the spreading was from fully vaccinated individuals.

What is the true vaccine breakthrough rate? The CDC doesn't want you to know.

At the end of the day though none of that matters...where there is risk there must be choice. Mandating a medical procedure is NEVER a good thing. Pretending that there aren't serious and fatal issues with these Covid vaccines (more than all the other vaccines combined) is appalling. Go take a look at OpenVAERS to see the latest on deaths, hospitalizations, permanent disability, anaphylaxis, heart attacks, Bells Palsy...the list goes on and on. Read the awful stories that these families have experienced. Any other time in history and these vaccines would have been stopped immediately but for some reason it's okay now.

The fact that natural immunity isn't accepted pretty much tells me all I need to know. Follow the money...there is zero reason to participate in this experiment.

 

[Devo182]

It’s not a government doc and not even close. It’s a card from big pharma. I have one. It’s dumb. No way this does any good. Vaccinated people can pass the virus as well as in vaxxed. There is no way an usher can tell if it’s a valid or a fake and they won’t care. It’s all show. Also the African American community is only like 25% vaccinated so it’s also a form of segregation.

The FBI disagrees.

"Additionally, the unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal (such as HHS or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)) is a crime, and may be punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, and other applicable laws."

 

[golfballs]

Show your vaccination card. Get in. Don't show your vaccination card. Don't get in. Ever seen how an airport works with a passport? Probably wouldn't be that much different.

Ever been through airport security when 100,000 travelers are trying to get through at once?