Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)

[Golfprovol]

Does who bet? Again, no ref in their right mind would bet themselves on a game. To easy to track.

You said go look at the scores and LV lines of games he refs....

 

[Power_Sweep_Vol]

Not at all. The issue is there is zero proof of everyone out to get UT narrative. These conspiracy theorists take over every single thread and make the site a drag.

Just because you think it, doesn't mean you should type it

They don’t need proof…it’s just something they KNOW

Why would you need evidence?

 

[Power_Sweep_Vol]

Providing you any more evidence is beating a dead horse. You’ve had enough in this thread that you have dismissed without acknowledging anything.

Is a pyramid scheme a conspiracy theory? No. It just takes one scammer and a bunch of unwitting players. Widespread corruption or malpractice does not equal a conspiracy theory, either. It just means the system is broken.

“Conspiracy theory” has become a buzz phrase that lazy people use to advertise that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Something corrupt people throw the phrase around to make the lazy thinkers feel safe about avoiding critical thought.

Do you think officials make calls based on things other than what they see on the field?

If the answer is no, then stop posting nonsense that makes you look less than intelligent to be kind

If the answer is yes, then what is the evidence since you’ve obviously done a great deal of critical thinking on this matter?

 

[Sudden Impact]

You said go look at the scores and LV lines of games he refs....

Not for a conspiracy theory, but for your knowledge. Conspiracy is a group of people not an individual. He could be incompetent and not a conspiracy, he could be bias and it would not be conspiracy.

Basically, this is the biggest game in Rd 1 of which he is a Referee not worthy of calling this game. Why? Based on his past history and controversy.

Truth or not he has been identified as the one crew you don't want calling your game. This is not a Tennessee thing but it is also an ACC problem as well as other teams in bowl games. He is just not that good.

The Purdue game is a thorne in our side, I just figured he had a hot date it was cold and he wanted it over.

 

[Volnanza]

I couldn't name any crew by name nor official.

Perhaps this guy is a problem but the bigger problem is having part-time refs for a billion dollar sports system in college.

And it remains, NO MATTER WHO CALLS UT GAMES, VN game threads are full of people claiming "the refs are out to screw us" and "it's corrupt" and such. You're around a lot. You know that's true.

This guy may be particularly egregious and possibly biased but you'd never know it from a game thread here because if Jesus was reffing a UT game, he's not going to call it fair for us according to any VN game thread.

It's a matter of "The boy who cried wolf" for me. Every game thread. Every time. So who knows when it's legit or not?

You do know that it's not required that you read them. I skip things that I find uninteresting.

 

[207 others]

I hated that purdue game. Went with family wanting one nice thing to happen that year.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You do know that it's not required that you read them. I skip things that I find uninteresting.

Usually they're just short "rigged" etc so not reading the message is pretty hard but ignoring those people gives the "you're ignoring this person" tag which works better for me because I don't cuss "what an $&(_@ idiot" which I tend to do when I see rigged over and over in game threads.

 

[1974Vol]

The same referee who thought this wasnt a TD

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And who thought this Miami guy wasn't down

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Is going to be the referee of the game Saturday at OSU. Yep, the same referee from the Purude MCB fiasco, the Duke/Miami fiasco.

This is why we have instant replay and all scoring plays are reviewed. The officials on the field have to make these calls and do it in real time. There will most likely be multiple camera angles on every play given the magnitude of these playoff games. The fix to the bad college officiating we see is to make these guys full time employees with 6 figure incomes. They all need to be under 50 in great shape, and spend the off season in physical training and film study. Many bad calls (especially PI) are made because the back judges aren't in good position to make the call. The best of the best get to stay on as trainers and reviewers after 50 and man the replay booth. Every game and every official should be reviewed and graded. You will never clean it up completely but is ridiculous with the amount of money in the game now we're using insurance salesmen to referee these games on a part time basis.

 

[swampfoxfan]

So only 2 bad calls in 4 years. There’s bad officiating every game.

Shame we don't have replay technology

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Carrying water for bad officials makes you look just as stupid imo.

 

[KTrain]

Some of you people are legit insane…stop the “refs make calls based on bias/corruption” arguments…make you look like a moron

It Happens just saying

 

[Renaissance Hillbilly]

Is he the referee? Was he the referee for both of those games?

The reason I ask is that if he was the referee, neither of those calls were made by him.

I called TSSAA high school football games when I could move up and down the field better. I was a Head Linesman. The Referee is stationed behind the offense and doesn't pursue the play very far downfield. The touchdown call is the Line Judge/Head Linesman's call, because near the goal line our mechanics were to officiate the snap then move to straddle the goal line. As for the runner downfield being down or not, that would be the call of the downfield guys. We called them Side Judge, Field Judge, and Back Judge back then. The titles may have changed since the 90s.

The mechanics and responsibilities of TSSAA officials were taken from the NCAA officials standards, so I don't think the referee would have the responsibility of making either of the calls mentioned. He reports them to the teams and the crowds, but doesn't make those two calls.

 

[Renaissance Hillbilly]

This is why we have instant replay and all scoring plays are reviewed. The officials on the field have to make these calls and do it in real time. There will most likely be multiple camera angles on every play given the magnitude of these playoff games. The fix to the bad college officiating we see is to make these guys full time employees with 6 figure incomes. They all need to be under 50 in great shape, and spend the off season in physical training and film study. Many bad calls (especially PI) are made because the back judges aren't in good position to make the call. The best of the best get to stay on as trainers and reviewers after 50 and man the replay booth. Every game and every official should be reviewed and graded. You will never clean it up completely but is ridiculous with the amount of money in the game now we're using insurance salesmen to referee these games on a part time basis.

I was taught during my initial training as a TSSAA football official that making these calls in real time is the equivalent of trying to read the license plate of the car that just went by you in the opposite direction at 40 mph. Experience helps slow the game down but it still moves at a pretty good clip. NCAA football makes the car even faster.

 

[Power_Sweep_Vol]

It Happens just sayingView attachment 706347

One time, literally tens of thousands of referees, and some of you nuts act like it’s a regular occurrence..but keep holding on to donaghy

 

[KTrain]

One time, literally tens of thousands of referees, and some of you nuts act like it’s a regular occurrence..but keep holding on to donaghy

Actually, more than that, homework. hint Boston College.
Where money and human beings flow some pit falls are bound to happen.

 

[Power_Sweep_Vol]

Usually they're just short "rigged" etc so not reading the message is pretty hard but ignoring those people gives the "you're ignoring this person" tag which works better for me because I don't cuss "what an $&(_@ idiot" which I tend to do when I see rigged over and over in game threads.

Yet you made the exact same claim that the committee rigs things in selecting teams by focusing on things outside of what they are charged to do, without any evidence also, just like the “refs rig games” arguments

 

[DaddyChad]

So not worried about bias but wish we had gotten a better crew. What constitutes a "better crew" in your mind?

Maybe one that hasn’t been suspended for a terrible call in the past. Or possibly one that didn’t blow a game deciding call against the Vols in the past? Maybe just maybe my expectations are a little high though for the biggest game of the first round?

 

[Sudden Impact]

Maybe one that hasn’t been suspended for a terrible call in the past. Or possibly one that didn’t blow a game deciding call against the Vols in the past? Maybe just maybe my expectations are a little high though for the biggest game of the first round?

Maybe a crew that doesn't have a history with either team.

The ACC had two crews to pick from and then I am not for sure who selects between the two teams.

Play the game I understand and go with what you got.

The ACC knows the history of this crew and in addition the history with Tennessee. No telling with our fanbase how much crap Magallanes got from our fanbase regarding his call in the Purdue game.

He evidently has the same drama to the fanbases of the ACC. So why put this crew up for selection for a CFP big game? The crew working this game should a choice of the best 1-2 crews in the ACC and if that is the case then they need to relook it.

Will the Purdue game be stuck in the back of their heads, I am sure it will be.

 

[DaddyChad]

Maybe a crew that doesn't have a history with either team.

The ACC had two crews to pick from and then I am not for sure who selects between the two teams.

Play the game I understand and go with what you got.

The ACC knows the history of this crew and in addition the history with Tennessee. No telling with our fanbase how much crap Magallanes got from our fanbase regarding his call in the Purdue game.

He evidently has the same drama to the fanbases of the ACC. So why put this crew up for selection for a CFP big game? The crew working this game should a choice of the best 1-2 crews in the ACC and if that is the case then they need to relook it.

Will the Purdue game be stuck in the back of their heads, I am sure it will be.

Kind of what I’m saying. Even if that crew does their best that’s in the back of their minds and back of other people’s minds. Really a dumb decision by whoever greenlighted this.

 

[adam.vol]

What should the result look like?

I have acknowledged the 2 missed calls that were mentioned, I also acknowledged the 1 correct call that was stated. It seems 2 bad calls in 4 years doesnt suck. Show more bad calls if there are any.

A pyramid scheme has hard evidence that can be shown. There is a paper trail, there are things left that actually show what happened. You saying a guy sucks at being a ref is an opinion that is only supported by a couple of mistakes over the period of 4 years. Those mistakes were both looked at by a replay official who agreed. So the decision was not singularly made.

So I am a lazy corrupt person because I refuse to judge someone else based on a job I cannot do?

The result? I assume you mean how many games a referee crew should be allowed to change the outcome of with a fabricated lie - The answer is zero.

There are replays to give a person a chance to reconsider something that may not have been seen clearly the first time. To give false testimony is not acceptable. You either see the play or you don’t and a non-call is better than a fabrication. It’s not a mistake when someone creates an alternate reality. It’s just a lie.

Why should the same ACC crew who wrongly overturned a game winning touchdown in a Tennessee post season game be allowed to call another post season game for Tennessee? They have proven their selves untrustworthy. Were they ever reprimanded? I don’t see a reason that they should be awarded another pay day at our expense.

 

[Golfprovol]

The result? I assume you mean how many games a referee crew should be allowed to change the outcome of with a fabricated lie - The answer is zero.

There are replays to give a person a chance to reconsider something that may not have been seen clearly the first time. To give false testimony is not acceptable. You either see the play or you don’t and a non-call is better than a fabrication. It’s not a mistake when someone creates an alternate reality. It’s just a lie.

Why should the same ACC crew who wrongly overturned a game winning touchdown in a Tennessee post season game be allowed to call another post season game for Tennessee? They have proven their selves untrustworthy. Were they ever reprimanded? I don’t see a reason that they should be awarded another pay day at our expense.

No, you said you know what the end result should look like, what is that result?

Most would much rather the call be made and then look at the replay to get it right, than a no call.

Because the crew does not have a bias against UT. Let it go dude! The past is the past. I thrive off guys like you when in a golf tournament, I only have to remind them of the time I kicked their ass and their mind is toast

Holding on to that much anger and hate for a ref crew cannot be healthy. Especially when they have done nothing to you personally.

 

[Golfprovol]

Maybe a crew that doesn't have a history with either team.

The ACC had two crews to pick from and then I am not for sure who selects between the two teams.

Play the game I understand and go with what you got.

The ACC knows the history of this crew and in addition the history with Tennessee. No telling with our fanbase how much crap Magallanes got from our fanbase regarding his call in the Purdue game.

He evidently has the same drama to the fanbases of the ACC. So why put this crew up for selection for a CFP big game? The crew working this game should a choice of the best 1-2 crews in the ACC and if that is the case then they need to relook it.

Will the Purdue game be stuck in the back of their heads, I am sure it will be.

You really think that game has that kind of importance for them to remember it?

 

[adam.vol]

No, you said you know what the end result should look like, what is that result?

You really don’t know? They’re not supposed to make mistakes to begin with. Fudging it up isn’t acceptable.

Most would much rather the call be made and then look at the replay to get it right, than a no call.

That’s a steaming pile of crap.

Because the crew does not have a bias against UT. Let it go dude! The past is the past. I thrive off guys like you when in a golf tournament, I only have to remind them of the time I kicked their ass and their mind is toast

I’m sure you thrive off anyone who doesn’t keep score for you. You seem to have trouble keeping up with it.

You piss and moan to me and everyone else that it’s not fair to talk about what has not happened, while simultaneously whining not to talk about what’s already happened. There’s no time for anyone to talk about anything, by your assessment.

Are you throwing a tantrum or is there ever a valid argument coming our way?

Holding on to that much anger and hate for a ref crew cannot be healthy. Especially when they have done nothing to you personally.

What does anger have to do with telling the truth? Don’t get emotional on me, because I can’t give a shoulder to cry on.

 

[Golfprovol]

You really don’t know? They’re not supposed to make the mistake to begin with.

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So they should call all penalties regardless of the team?

 

[adam.vol]

Post #67
So they should call all penalties regardless of the team?

What do the rules say? Have you ever seen a rulebook that says to “call sometimes, but not always?”