Majors on Butch: Best UT Coach in 10 Years

[volfanecs]

OK..more proof you're in over your head. Majors didn't "leave" either, but left the program in excellent condition. And I don't think Johnny was any better as a coach.

The subject was CPF leaving. If you can please lose one argument at a time, it will be much easier.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Freak, please do those of us who live in the present, and hold hope for the future, a favor...

Open a "Can't Let Go of the Past" Forum.

That would be a good place for the Majors -vs- Fulmer; Fulmer -vs- whomever; Kiffin; Dooley; and Gruden threads.

Good grief.

Go Vols.

 

[onevol74]

I believe he's just taking a traditional Tennessee remedy for his rheumatism.

What does Lou Holtz have to do with this?

 

[114VOL]

nope, sonny. Youre waaay over your head. Sadly you don't realize how stupid your attempts at debates are. Having to resort to lines like "you're over your head" further proves you have nothing else to add and its time to resort to name calling.

Just stop before you make a complete idiot out of yourself. You're 99% there.

:birgits_giggle:

So I am wrong that Majors left a solid team when he was fired in 1992? The program wasn't loaded with talent and depth? The NFL shouldn't have drafted all of those players from the 1992 squad? I am wrong about the shape of the program in 2008? We were loaded with talent and depth in 2008?

Bottom line is neither Majors nor Fulmer were GREAT coaches. Both were good in their own manner. Not great

Sorry to you too. This isn't the University of Fulmer. It's the University of Tennessee.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

 

[volfanecs]

Freak, please do those of us who live in the present, and hold hope for the future, a favor...

Open a "Can't Let Go of the Past" Forum.

That would be a good place for the Majors -vs- Fulmer; Fulmer -vs- whomever; Kiffin; Dooley; and Gruden threads.

Good grief.

Go Vols.

Hey buddy. How are you doing? I am innocent this time. The "expert" started it. I had to finish it.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

I'm doing well, Ed. Thanks for asking.

I know you didn't start it. But you know...it's never going to stop. Remember, you and I are in complete agreement on Fulmer's record and accomplishments at UT. It's where he, and the program went, starting roughly in 1999...2001 at the latest, that you and I disagree.

I'd just like to see Vol fans...all Vol fans...line up behind the guy currently in charge, until and unless he proves himself unworthy of the position.

And let's let sleeping dogs lie, huh?

Go Vols.

 

[GreveHaller]

:birgits_giggle:

So I am wrong that Majors left a solid team when he was fired in 1992? The program wasn't loaded with talent and depth? The NFL shouldn't have drafted all of those players from the 1992 squad? I am wrong about the shape of the program in 2008? We were loaded with talent and depth in 2008?

Bottom line is neither Majors nor Fulmer were GREAT coaches. Both were good in their own manner. Not great

Sorry to you too. This isn't the University of Fulmer. It's the University of Tennessee.

your're wrong when you said you nec was out of his league and you thought you were getting the best of him.

But nice trying to divert. Didn't work though.

 

[114VOL]

your're wrong when you said you nec was out of his league and you thought you were getting the best of him.

But nice trying to divert. Didn't work though.

I didn't divert. I was absolutely correct about him. Just like him, you have no answer to those facts either. You're out of your league when you can't offer a legitimate rebuttal. You're in the same boat with him.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

You're in the same boat with him.

The horror...

A lot of people in the same boat, I think I like their boat better then your boat....we at least seem to have a better idea of the definition of "fact". As horrible as it may be to be judged as nonfactual by someone who is clearly so objective and rational, I'll take my chances. I think some people at some point realize when a terrible thing was done, and perhaps too hastily. Others would rather dig in, and defend a position no matter how much 20/20 hindsight shows it to be a bad choice as well as just nasty. Their pride is more important then anything to do with reality, much less morality.

I do mostly agree with original statement. Butch Jones is the best coach we have had in awhile. (how could he not be?) But I will never agree with the Fulmer haters, nor a bitter old man no matter what he once was before he decided to poison the fan base with his own hate. He has a problem with more pride then love of the program too.

In any case I am very happy with Butch Jones so far, and hope he leads us to the best era since Neyland or even better...if that is possible. But no amount of scatter brain reasoning will ever make right how Phillip Fulmer was treated mid season, for a man who did what he did for our program...and I and many fans, staff, and athletes deeply apart of the UT program will remain in that "boat".

I'm sure you will convince yourself that Fulmer deserved it, since you are one of those that likely supported him being let go mid season, and you are the type to never ever admit having made a mistake, or that that decision hurt the program deeply.

 

[volfanecs]

I'm doing well, Ed. Thanks for asking.

I know you didn't start it. But you know...it's never going to stop. Remember, you and I are in complete agreement on Fulmer's record and accomplishments at UT. It's where he, and the program went, starting roughly in 1999...2001 at the latest, that you and I disagree.

I'd just like to see Vol fans...all Vol fans...line up behind the guy currently in charge, until and unless he proves himself unworthy of the position.

And let's let sleeping dogs lie, huh?

Go Vols.

I totally agree GW. I am going to try to come down for Georgia or South Carolina. There are some comments that I can not let slide, but I am behind CBJ all the way.

 

[114VOL]

The horror...

A lot of people in the same boat, I think I like their boat better then your boat....we at least seem to have a better idea of the definition of "fact". As horrible as it may be to be judged as nonfactual by someone who is clearly so objective and rational, I'll take my chances. I think some people at some point realize when a terrible thing was done, and perhaps too hastily. Others would rather dig in, and defend a position no matter how much 20/20 hindsight shows it to be a bad choice as well as just nasty. Their pride is more important then anything to do with reality, much less morality.

I do mostly agree with original statement. Butch Jones is the best coach we have had in awhile. (how could he not be?) But I will never agree with the Fulmer haters, nor a bitter old man no matter what he once was before he decided to poison the fan base with his own hate. He has a problem with more pride then love of the program too.

In any case I am very happy with Butch Jones so far, and hope he leads us to the best era since Neyland or even better...if that is possible. But no amount of scatter brain reasoning will ever make right how Phillip Fulmer was treated mid season, for a man who did what he did for our program...and I and many fans, staff, and athletes deeply apart of the UT program will remain in that "boat".

I'm sure you will convince yourself that Fulmer deserved it, since you are one of those that likely supported him being let go mid season, and you are the type to never ever admit having made a mistake, or that that decision hurt the program deeply.

You're way off base here. Let's look my words. I said Fulmer was a good coach. HTF do you know what I feel about the midseason firing? That's right, dumbarse, you don't know! I don't need to convince myself of anything. I know they should have waited until the end of the season.
The firing, though, was justified. It was the timing that was wrong. I am sure you think he should still be coach. There is a reason though, why no one of any significance wanted him anywhere near their program. There is also a reason why no one like you is in a position to make those decisions.

BTW, I've made a ton of mistakes.

 

[volfanecs]

You're way off base here. Let's look my words. I said Fulmer was a good coach. HTF do you know what I feel about the midseason firing? That's right, dumbarse, you don't know! I don't need to convince myself of anything. I know they should have waited until the end of the season.
The firing, though, was justified. It was the timing that was wrong. I am sure you think he should still be coach. There is a reason though, why no one of any significance wanted him anywhere near their program. There is also a reason why no one like you is in a position to make those decisions.

BTW, I've made a ton of mistakes.

The way you are starting out on VN is one of them.

 

[whobethis16]

You're way off base here. Let's look my words. I said Fulmer was a good coach. HTF do you know what I feel about the midseason firing? That's right, dumbarse, you don't know! I don't need to convince myself of anything. I know they should have waited until the end of the season.
The firing, though, was justified. It was the timing that was wrong. I am sure you think he should still be coach. There is a reason though, why no one of any significance wanted him anywhere near their program. There is also a reason why no one like you is in a position to make those decisions.

BTW, I've made a ton of mistakes.

Way to switch to childish name calling. Maybe cause he is 63 years old. Again, maybe he enjoyed only working 40 hours a week instead of 80, meaning more family time. The FACT is, since you like facts so much, you don't know for certain what was said in any of the interviews, yet you automatically assume (which definitely makes an ass outta one of us here) that it is only because he isn't wanted. I've half-assed a few job interviews due to finding out some things about the job. Maybe he did too. You simply don't know, but continue to badmouth the man.

 

[114VOL]

The way you are starting out on VN is one of them.

You should probably mind your own business. Just because I don't have my head up CPF's rear end like you isn't a detriment. I don't hate the man. I just don't give false praise and I don't throw the word great around as loosely as a know-nothing like you.

 

[114VOL]

Way to switch to childish name calling. Maybe cause he is 63 years old. Again, maybe he enjoyed only working 40 hours a week instead of 80, meaning more family time. The FACT is, since you like facts so much, you don't know for certain what was said in any of the interviews, yet you automatically assume (which definitely makes an ass outta one of us here) that it is only because he isn't wanted. I've half-assed a few job interviews due to finding out some things about the job. Maybe he did too. You simply don't know, but continue to badmouth the man.

I am not bad mouthing him. BTW, he was only 58 when he was fired. Hey man, Fulmer is the one who was making public statements about how he wanted to coach again and was interviewing schools as much as they were interviewing him. Public statements. On the record statements. Just stating those facts. There's no badmouthing.

I get a huge laugh out of the portion of our fanbase that are as delusional about Fulmer as he is about himself.

 

[gnm53108]

You should probably mind your own business. Just because I don't have my head up CPF's rear end like you isn't a detriment. I don't hate the man. I just don't give false praise and I don't throw the word great around as loosely as a know-nothing like you.

Can you list Tennessee's "great" coaches/coach?

IYO.

 

[whobethis16]

I am not bad mouthing him. BTW, he was only 58 when he was fired. Hey man, Fulmer is the one who was making public statements about how he wanted to coach again and was interviewing schools as much as they were interviewing him. Public statements. On the record statements. Just stating those facts. There's no badmouthing.

I get a huge laugh out of the portion of our fanbase that are as delusional about Fulmer as he is about himself.

So you're telling me you don't ask questions about a company, the work environment, etc during an interview, which is interviewing the company, to find out if you fit? Wow, you have guts. I ask as many questions as I can to learn how I see myself fitting in. That's the same thing as Fulmer saying he's "interviewing the schools". My god, you twist things so much. And, yet again, you ignore the possibility of the reasons that. I mentioned why? Oh, that's right, because you don't have anything to refute that argument I made.

 

[114VOL]

So you're telling me you don't ask questions about a company, the work environment, etc during an interview, which is interviewing the company, to find out if you fit? Wow, you have guts. I ask as many questions as I can to learn how I see myself fitting in. That's the same thing as Fulmer saying he's "interviewing the schools". My god, you twist things so much. And, yet again, you ignore the possibility of the reasons that. I mentioned why? Oh, that's right, because you don't have anything to refute that argument I made.

You know what? We're both right and both wrong.

One of the reasons the firing of Fulmer was more devastating to our fans than the Majors firing was because of the fact that CPF is such a great guy and much more affable than Majors. While Majors was beloved, he didn't blend with the community nearly as well as Fulmer. We're actually lucky to have been able to have both of them as head coaches. For about 25 years, they brought in some of the great football players of all time. Unfortunately, the time passed as HC for both of them. We're in a new era. There's no reason we can't reach those heights again and even go beyond them.

 

[114VOL]

Can you list Tennessee's "great" coaches/coach?

IYO.

Neyland
Dickey

 

[gnm53108]

Neyland
Dickey

Interesting list.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Why all the hate? The man stated the obvious. It would be like some arguing that Saban isn't the best bammer coach in the last 20 years...I don't care about wins and losses right this second, if your players fail to give 100% everyday, you get mediocrity..guaranteed. I also wanna see a coach capable of changing game plans at half time, players who know the fundamentals, a HC that can count to 11, and if need be subtract. CBJ appears to have most of the above. But recruiting success doesn't guarantee on the field success. Ask Mack Brown.

Tap the brakes, friend...

I am all on the Butch train, but... Are we really comparing the UT coach that hasn't coached a single UT team to the Bama coach that has won multiple Nattie's with his bama teams?

I truly believe that Butch will do great things. With that said, it's those comparisons that make the Butch train look ridiculous.

(I realize you diclaimered the statement a bit, but the first half of your paragraph doesn't jive with the last part.)

:hi:

 

[Orange_Crush]

As opposed to making a constant, continual ass of myself...
I don't know, what do you think? :ermm:

lol.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

:birgits_giggle:

So I am wrong that Majors left a solid team when he was fired in 1992? The program wasn't loaded with talent and depth? The NFL shouldn't have drafted all of those players from the 1992 squad? I am wrong about the shape of the program in 2008? We were loaded with talent and depth in 2008?
Bottom line is neither Majors nor Fulmer were GREAT coaches. Both were good in their own manner. Not great

Sorry to you too. This isn't the University of Fulmer. It's the University of Tennessee.

Six NFL draft picks five of whom went on day one. All-Pro NFL talent at that. A roster with three eventual NFL QBs on it. Two other players who went undrafted and made NFL rosters. At least one 1st team All-SEC performer who did not make the NFL.

Layla's husband inherited an impressive team. Not 1998, but impressive.

 

[114VOL]

Six NFL draft picks five of whom went on day one. All-Pro NFL talent at that. A roster with three eventual NFL QBs on it. Two other players who went undrafted and made NFL rosters. At least one 1st team All-SEC performer who did not make the NFL.

Layla's husband inherited an impressive team. Not 1998, but impressive.

Name the All-Pro. If you were going to say Eric Berry, then you'll be wrong. Pro Bowl participation and being All-Pro are two different things entirely. Being All-Pro means you made the all league team. And you're going to tout the QB's? LOL. Not a single one of them have played a down on Sunday. None are even a back-up. Just because they are on rosters in the preseason doesn't mean they've made the NFL.

This has gotten silly. You might want to go back and do some research if you believe that 2008 was loaded. With all respect, you're embarrassing yourself. As much as I dislike Kiffin, he didn't inherit an impressive team.