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#226
To be fair, I'm under the impression that the aircraft was cleared because it was flying at an approved altitude. Anything over 32,000 is what I've heard.

I mean, it's not exactly like you'd expect grassroots locals with Kalashnikovs to shoot you down at that altitude. Nor would you expect Russian air defenses to shoot you down since they should know better.
 
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volprof said:
To be fair, I'm under the impression that the aircraft was cleared because it was flying at an approved altitude. Anything over 32,000 is what I've heard.

I mean, it's not exactly like you'd expect grassroots locals with Kalashnikovs to shoot you down at that altitude. Nor would you expect Russian air defenses to shoot you down since they should know better.
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Correct. But it's the pilots ultimate decision.

I suppose he was trying to save a little time or fuel.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Anytime a missile is tracking, and then locks, and then fires, it is intentional.

Did they know it was a commercial airliner? Doesn't matter.

If it was of any importance, then they would have not fired. Rather, would have had more sense to make sure that what they were aiming to shoot down was actually what they intended it to be.

By not knowing with certainty, and firing, it was intentional.

They are over zealous and hungry for causing strife and destruction. If they were not this way, this is never a possibility.

It was intentional, just the intent was to hurt a " political " or " militaristic " foe...in their eyes, opinion, and quest for power/control. Just so happens they were wrong. Sad state of affairs gentleman.


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Of course it matters. The intention to bring down a military plane is vastly different than the intention of bringing down civilian plane.

If you want to argue that only consequences matter, fine. But that is a different point/argument entirely.
 
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hog88 said:
Is it the pilots or dispatchers decision?
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ATC can change your flight plan for unforeseen circumstances like bad weather. But it's up to the pilot to make the decision to fly through it or around it.

Even if he was a 1,000 ft. clear of the max ceiling for airspace, he's still taking a huge risk.
 
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AirVol said:
ATC can change your flight plan for unforeseen circumstances like bad weather. But it's up to the pilot to make the decision to fly through it or around it.

Even if he was a 1,000 ft. clear of the max ceiling for airspace, he's still taking a huge risk.
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I've heard that thunderstorms to the south of the plane caused them to veer a bit north out of the intended flight plan, probably over more dangerous territory as well.
 
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Weezer said:
Honestly, I hope we stay out of it and let someone else handle it for once. And I'm not big on arming the Ukraine to fight the Russians. We did that with UBL. Didn't work out so well for us. In fact, it seems everytime we arm someone, they turn against us. UBL, Saddam... Maybe it's time we reconsidered our foreign policy.
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Most of the time we supply arms to someone they are rebel groups with questionable ideologies. Yet we don't even consider supplying weapons to a pro-Western, democratic government's state sanctioned armed forces is mind blowing.
 
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volprof said:
I've heard that thunderstorms to the south of the plane caused them to veer a bit north out of the intended flight plan, probably over more dangerous territory as well.
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I've seen that the further North they flew, the safer. I believe the airspace to the south (over Crimea) is closed for commercial aircraft.
 
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I can't remember which news station I saw this on but today they said the missile came from pro-Russian held Ukrainian territory not Mother Russia.
 
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AirVol said:
ATC can change your flight plan for unforeseen circumstances like bad weather. But it's up to the pilot to make the decision to fly through it or around it.

Even if he was a 1,000 ft. clear of the max ceiling for airspace, he's still taking a huge risk.
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Not talking about ATC. I'm talking about the airline employees sitting in offices around the world dispatching the planes. I think they pretty much tell the pilots what routes to fly.
 
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hog88 said:
Not talking about ATC. I'm talking about the airline employees sitting in offices around the world dispatching the planes. I think they pretty much tell the pilots what routes to fly.
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Dispatchers normally do provide the pilots with the initial flight plan, based on time, winds, weather forecast, etc. I may be wrong but I highly doubt most commercial airlines have pilots plotting their own routes. Of course the pilot is ultimately responsible for his plane though.

Then that route may be changed later during the flight by ATC for other traffic, spacing, weather, pilot requests, etc.
 
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#242
So Obama says we stand by Ukraine in maintaining it's territorial integrity but demand a cease-fire. How will the Ukrainian state regain lost land when their armed forces being forced to respect a cease-fire.
 
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hog88 said:
Not talking about ATC. I'm talking about the airline employees sitting in offices around the world dispatching the planes. I think they pretty much tell the pilots what routes to fly.
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Pretty sure the flight crew has to agree to the planned route before they ever leave the ground.
 
#250
#250
I hope Paris wakes up and pulls the sell of the Mistral class ships to Russia in wake of this.
 
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