Malaysia Boeing 777

For the last time, WWIII isn't happening because of a 777 being shot down in Eastern Europe. The Soviets shot down a Korean Airlines flight in the '80s with a US Congressman on-board and we didn't go to war than we sure as hell are not doing it now.

I hope you're right, but what are you so worked up about? One dude died, and it was excuse enough to start WWI. I guess it depends on which historical anecdotes you want to use as a predictor of behavior.
 
I was watching the ABC evening news & they showed some Russian news guy at the news desk. Behind him on the wall was the Russian language printed out. I find it amazing they can read that shizz.

Looks like it would be easier to read than Arabic though.
 
Ok all you brilliant foreign policy scholars, what do you think is the correct response?

Give this to Kerry
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Then head to numerous fundraisers.
 
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i was watching the abc evening news & they showed some russian news guy at the news desk. Behind him on the wall was the russian language printed out. I find it amazing they can read that shizz.

ты не можешь читать по-русски?? Не верю теба.
 
Give this to Kerry
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Then head to numerous fundraisers.

Overcharge....

If I remember correctly, it was printed in English letters and not Cyrillic.

They should have settled for the iPod of Obama speeches!

Edit for picture...dug it up on the www:

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Ok all you brilliant foreign policy scholars, what do you think is the correct response?

I'll be serious since you have been (somewhat) serious today. First it needs to be determined the exact reason the plane came down. All signs point towards a SAM at this point, so we'll go on that theory.

If it's the separatists, than the EU, Ukraine and Russia all should join in telling them it's over, lay down your arms and go home. No more fighting. If they refuse, then no holds barred, we give the Ukraine anything they want military wise and they clean house. The EU sets up a peacekeeping force when it's all said and done. Russia will not harbor the insurgents on their soil and will root out all the bases of operations. The separatists will give up, period, end of story. If Russia refuses, see items from below.

If it was a Russian (government) SAM, heavy sanctions, frozen assets of government and private individuals, they give up all claims over the Crimea and eastern Ukraine subject to an EU or UN peacekeeping force. The Ukraine is invited into NATO immediately and the border with Russia gets fortified. Reparations are paid to the Malaysian government as well as to all the families of the victims in an amount determined by the World Court. We start shipping natural gas to Europe as the EU cuts off the supplies. And the military leaders in charge of the SAM site will stand trial as determined by international agreement.
 
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I'll be serious since you have been (somewhat) serious today. First it needs to be determined the exact reason the plane came down. All signs point towards a SAM at this point, so we'll go on that theory.

If it's the separatists, than the EU, Ukraine and Russia all should join in telling them it's over, lay down your arms and go home. No more fighting. If they refuse, then no holds barred, we give the Ukraine anything they want military wise and they clean house. The EU sets up a peacekeeping force when it's all said and done. Russia will not harbor the insurgents on their soil and will root out all the bases of operations. The separatists will give up, period, end of story. If Russia refuses, see items from below.

If it was a Russian (government) SAM, heavy sanctions, frozen assets of government and private individuals, they give up all claims over the Crimea and eastern Ukraine subject to an EU or UN peacekeeping force. The Ukraine is invited into NATO immediately and the border with Russia gets fortified. Reparations are paid to the Malaysian government as well as to all the families of the victims in an amount determined by the World Court. We start shipping natural gas to Europe as the EU cuts off the supplies. And the military leaders in charge of the SAM site will stand trial as determined by international agreement.

Your final paragraph is a sure-fire war scenario.
 
Ok all you brilliant foreign policy scholars, what do you think is the correct response?

* Put sanctions on sectors of the Russian economy that will really hurt them. (Gazprom)

* Sanction key Russian government figures, including Putin, and the General Staff.

* Start the process of internal NATO/Ukrainian membership plans.

* Increase American/Ukrainian military training assistance & intelligence sharing with Ukrainian security establishment.

* Start sending modern, American weapons (ATGMs, rifles, optics etc etc) to Ukrainian forces operating in the east.
 
He spoke today for 18 minutes and spent only 40 seconds speaking about it. 17+ minutes about roads, 40 seconds toward one of the worst events in decades. Unbelievable!
 
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Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, I think, is the first government other than Kiev to flat out blame the Russians.
 
He spoke today for 18 minutes and spent only 40 seconds speaking about it. 17+ minutes about roads, 40 seconds toward one of the worst events in decades. Unbelievable!

Settle down. I'm sure he'll speak more about it once he actually has some facts to speak about. You can complain about his response then.
 

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