guy who I hoped we would go after when Dooley was fired but I think Hart was very slow off the blocks-what was his comment?- "We have all the time in the world" or words to that effect. Hart has not impressed me at all.
Malzahn is a good coach but what he is doing is being over blown.
Auburn is the second most talented team in the SEC west and is within an arms reach of Bama talent wise. They have had solid recruiting, low attrition, and a national championship just a few years ago.
If you look at talent differentials, their loss to LSU was a considerable under performance. Malzahn's performance this year is simply competant. What is inexplicable is just how bad Chizik was (Worse than Dooley or Muschamp).
For comparison, UT is tracking right along what talent predicts (minus the anomaly that is Mizzou) this year. If both Auburn and UT win out, both Jones and Malzahn will have performed one game below talent predictions.
The only two teams who are performing spectacularly outside of talent predictions are Mizzou and Florida.
Not really if you'd use your brain. If Malzahn is our coach maybe we still lose to Oregon but maybe only by 3 points. Then we beat Georgia and are close against Alabama and maybe even beat or are close to Missouri and then we beat Auburn because they don't have Malzahn and we do and we are 6-4. Then we beat Vandy and Ky and are 8-4 and top 25.
Low attrition? You might want to recheck your numbers. Auburn's recruiting classes were great but Chizik recruited a ton of guys that didn't make it past their 1st or 2nd years on campus. Just look at Mike Dyer.Malzahn is a good coach but what he is doing is being over blown.
Auburn is the second most talented team in the SEC west and is within an arms reach of Bama talent wise. They have had solid recruiting, low attrition, and a national championship just a few years ago.
If you look at talent differentials, their loss to LSU was a considerable under performance. Malzahn's performance this year is simply competant. What is inexplicable is just how bad Chizik was (Worse than Dooley or Muschamp).
For comparison, UT is tracking right along what talent predicts (minus the anomaly that is Mizzou) this year. If both Auburn and UT win out, both Jones and Malzahn will have performed one game below talent predictions.
The only two teams who are performing spectacularly outside of talent predictions are Mizzou and Florida.
You guys are seriously overstating Auburn's "outstanding recruiting". A high amount of Auburn's top rated signees over the past few years are no longer on the team due to off-field and/or academic. Of the ones that ARE still on this team; several of them are still not doing much of anything under Malzahn's staff because they were more or less tarnished by Chizik. There is talent on this team (to go 9-1 in this conference means there has to be some talent somewhere), but to state Auburn's "Top 10 recruiting classes" as some sort of indicator that this team is stacked is ridiculous. Lets look at the reality of the situation, and you will quickly see that the majority of the players that bolstered those "highly ranked" AU signing classes have next to nothing to do with this year's success:
2012 Class: #10 on Rivals, 13 4-stars total
4* Shane Callahan: Not on 2-deep depth chart
4* Jordan Diamond: Injury probs, backup OL
4* Javiere Mitchell: Undersized; 3rd string player
4* Tyler Nero: ~3rd string DL, barely plays
4* Ricky Parks: Kicked off the team
4* Jovon Robinson: You guys know this one; currently at JUCO
4* JaQuay Williams: Didn't qualify, signed with A&M after Prep School
7 of 14 4-star recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team
2011 Class: #7 on Rivals, 13 4-stars, 1 5-star total
4* Jaylon Denson: Blew his knee out early this year; only a blocking receiver when he did play
4* Erique Florence: Left the team, attitude/behavior problems
4* Kiehl Frazier: Uber-bust, blocking receiver now...doesn't really play
4* Brandon Fulse: Suspended earlier this year, back on team, but not much more than a blocking TE
4* Jonathon Rose: Left the team, transferred to Nebraska
4* Christian Westerman: Left the team, transferred to Arizona State
6 of 14 4-star or better recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team. *5-star Kris Frost splits time with one of the worst Linebackers in recent SEC history (Jake Holland)
2010 Class: #4 on Rivals, 13 4-stars, 3 5-stars total
5* Shon Coleman: Cancer story. Backup OL, rarely plays
5* Mike Dyer: Kicked off the team
5* JUCO Cam Newton: No longer on team, obviously
4* JUCO Joel Bonomolo: Huge bust, didn't do anything...no longer on team
4* JUCO Roszell Gayden: Huge bust, didn't do anything...no longer on team
4* Antonio Goodwin: Part of the Burglary Bunch, in prison I believe
4* Jake Holland: "Semi-starting" LB, but the worst LB in the conference and a liability
4* Corey Lemonier: Left for the NFL early, not on team
4* Eric Mack: Shot in the ass during the AU murders a few years ago, no longer on team
4* JUCO Brandon Mosely: Currently in the NFL, no longer on team
4* Trovon Reed: Huge bust; barely does anything
4* Jeremy Richardson: Never qualified
4* Craig Sanders: Special Teams and 3rd-string DL
4* Jeff Whittaker: Blew out his knee at start of season; huge bust up until that point anyway
14 of 16 4-star or better recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team.
You my friend are delusional. Yes all because of this coach, nevertheless the difference in talent we miraculously play the #1 and #2 teams in the country down to the wire after losing most of our play makers on offense last year. And instead of having the #2 recruiting class he would be 5 spots ahead of the #1 recruiting team because he is a miracle worker and can defy all logic.
Not really if you'd use your brain. If Malzahn is our coach maybe we still lose to Oregon but maybe only by 3 points. Then we beat Georgia and are close against Alabama and maybe even beat or are close to Missouri and then we beat Auburn because they don't have Malzahn and we do and we are 6-4. Then we beat Vandy and Ky and are 8-4 and top 25.
guy who I hoped we would go after when Dooley was fired but I think Hart was very slow off the blocks-what was his comment?- "We have all the time in the world" or words to that effect. Hart has not impressed me at all.
You guys are seriously overstating Auburn's "outstanding recruiting". A high amount of Auburn's top rated signees over the past few years are no longer on the team due to off-field and/or academic. Of the ones that ARE still on this team; several of them are still not doing much of anything under Malzahn's staff because they were more or less tarnished by Chizik. There is talent on this team (to go 9-1 in this conference means there has to be some talent somewhere), but to state Auburn's "Top 10 recruiting classes" as some sort of indicator that this team is stacked is ridiculous. Lets look at the reality of the situation, and you will quickly see that the majority of the players that bolstered those "highly ranked" AU signing classes have next to nothing to do with this year's success:
2012 Class: #10 on Rivals, 13 4-stars total
4* Shane Callahan: Not on 2-deep depth chart
4* Jordan Diamond: Injury probs, backup OL
4* Javiere Mitchell: Undersized; 3rd string player
4* Tyler Nero: ~3rd string DL, barely plays
4* Ricky Parks: Kicked off the team
4* Jovon Robinson: You guys know this one; currently at JUCO
4* JaQuay Williams: Didn't qualify, signed with A&M after Prep School
7 of 14 4-star recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team
2011 Class: #7 on Rivals, 13 4-stars, 1 5-star total
4* Jaylon Denson: Blew his knee out early this year; only a blocking receiver when he did play
4* Erique Florence: Left the team, attitude/behavior problems
4* Kiehl Frazier: Uber-bust, blocking receiver now...doesn't really play
4* Brandon Fulse: Suspended earlier this year, back on team, but not much more than a blocking TE
4* Jonathon Rose: Left the team, transferred to Nebraska
4* Christian Westerman: Left the team, transferred to Arizona State
6 of 14 4-star or better recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team. *5-star Kris Frost splits time with one of the worst Linebackers in recent SEC history (Jake Holland)
2010 Class: #4 on Rivals, 13 4-stars, 3 5-stars total
5* Shon Coleman: Cancer story. Backup OL, rarely plays
5* Mike Dyer: Kicked off the team
5* JUCO Cam Newton: No longer on team, obviously
4* JUCO Joel Bonomolo: Huge bust, didn't do anything...no longer on team
4* JUCO Roszell Gayden: Huge bust, didn't do anything...no longer on team
4* Antonio Goodwin: Part of the Burglary Bunch, in prison I believe
4* Jake Holland: "Semi-starting" LB, but the worst LB in the conference and a liability
4* Corey Lemonier: Left for the NFL early, not on team
4* Eric Mack: Shot in the ass during the AU murders a few years ago, no longer on team
4* JUCO Brandon Mosely: Currently in the NFL, no longer on team
4* Trovon Reed: Huge bust; barely does anything
4* Jeremy Richardson: Never qualified
4* Craig Sanders: Special Teams and 3rd-string DL
4* Jeff Whittaker: Blew out his knee at start of season; huge bust up until that point anyway
14 of 16 4-star or better recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team.
You guys are seriously overstating Auburn's "outstanding recruiting". A high amount of Auburn's top rated signees over the past few years are no longer on the team due to off-field and/or academic. Of the ones that ARE still on this team; several of them are still not doing much of anything under Malzahn's staff because they were more or less tarnished by Chizik. There is talent on this team (to go 9-1 in this conference means there has to be some talent somewhere), but to state Auburn's "Top 10 recruiting classes" as some sort of indicator that this team is stacked is ridiculous. Lets look at the reality of the situation, and you will quickly see that the majority of the players that bolstered those "highly ranked" AU signing classes have next to nothing to do with this year's success:
2012 Class: #10 on Rivals, 13 4-stars total
4* Shane Callahan: Not on 2-deep depth chart
4* Jordan Diamond: Injury probs, backup OL
4* Javiere Mitchell: Undersized; 3rd string player
4* Tyler Nero: ~3rd string DL, barely plays
4* Ricky Parks: Kicked off the team
4* Jovon Robinson: You guys know this one; currently at JUCO
4* JaQuay Williams: Didn't qualify, signed with A&M after Prep School
7 of 14 4-star recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team
2011 Class: #7 on Rivals, 13 4-stars, 1 5-star total
4* Jaylon Denson: Blew his knee out early this year; only a blocking receiver when he did play
4* Erique Florence: Left the team, attitude/behavior problems
4* Kiehl Frazier: Uber-bust, blocking receiver now...doesn't really play
4* Brandon Fulse: Suspended earlier this year, back on team, but not much more than a blocking TE
4* Jonathon Rose: Left the team, transferred to Nebraska
4* Christian Westerman: Left the team, transferred to Arizona State
6 of 14 4-star or better recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team. *5-star Kris Frost splits time with one of the worst Linebackers in recent SEC history (Jake Holland)
2010 Class: #4 on Rivals, 13 4-stars, 3 5-stars total
5* Shon Coleman: Cancer story. Backup OL, rarely plays
5* Mike Dyer: Kicked off the team
5* JUCO Cam Newton: No longer on team, obviously
4* JUCO Joel Bonomolo: Huge bust, didn't do anything...no longer on team
4* JUCO Roszell Gayden: Huge bust, didn't do anything...no longer on team
4* Antonio Goodwin: Part of the Burglary Bunch, in prison I believe
4* Jake Holland: "Semi-starting" LB, but the worst LB in the conference and a liability
4* Corey Lemonier: Left for the NFL early, not on team
4* Eric Mack: Shot in the ass during the AU murders a few years ago, no longer on team
4* JUCO Brandon Mosely: Currently in the NFL, no longer on team
4* Trovon Reed: Huge bust; barely does anything
4* Jeremy Richardson: Never qualified
4* Craig Sanders: Special Teams and 3rd-string DL
4* Jeff Whittaker: Blew out his knee at start of season; huge bust up until that point anyway
14 of 16 4-star or better recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team.
Which is pretty much comparable to our attrition....from our worse classes.
You guys are seriously overstating Auburn's "outstanding recruiting". A high amount of Auburn's top rated signees over the past few years are no longer on the team due to off-field and/or academic. Of the ones that ARE still on this team; several of them are still not doing much of anything under Malzahn's staff because they were more or less tarnished by Chizik. There is talent on this team (to go 9-1 in this conference means there has to be some talent somewhere), but to state Auburn's "Top 10 recruiting classes" as some sort of indicator that this team is stacked is ridiculous. Lets look at the reality of the situation, and you will quickly see that the majority of the players that bolstered those "highly ranked" AU signing classes have next to nothing to do with this year's success:
2012 Class: #10 on Rivals, 13 4-stars total
4* Shane Callahan: Not on 2-deep depth chart
4* Jordan Diamond: Injury probs, backup OL
4* Javiere Mitchell: Undersized; 3rd string player
4* Tyler Nero: ~3rd string DL, barely plays
4* Ricky Parks: Kicked off the team
4* Jovon Robinson: You guys know this one; currently at JUCO
4* JaQuay Williams: Didn't qualify, signed with A&M after Prep School
7 of 14 4-star recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team
2011 Class: #7 on Rivals, 13 4-stars, 1 5-star total
4* Jaylon Denson: Blew his knee out early this year; only a blocking receiver when he did play
4* Erique Florence: Left the team, attitude/behavior problems
4* Kiehl Frazier: Uber-bust, blocking receiver now...doesn't really play
4* Brandon Fulse: Suspended earlier this year, back on team, but not much more than a blocking TE
4* Jonathon Rose: Left the team, transferred to Nebraska
4* Christian Westerman: Left the team, transferred to Arizona State
6 of 14 4-star or better recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team. *5-star Kris Frost splits time with one of the worst Linebackers in recent SEC history (Jake Holland)
2010 Class: #4 on Rivals, 13 4-stars, 3 5-stars total
5* Shon Coleman: Cancer story. Backup OL, rarely plays
5* Mike Dyer: Kicked off the team
5* JUCO Cam Newton: No longer on team, obviously
4* JUCO Joel Bonomolo: Huge bust, didn't do anything...no longer on team
4* JUCO Roszell Gayden: Huge bust, didn't do anything...no longer on team
4* Antonio Goodwin: Part of the Burglary Bunch, in prison I believe
4* Jake Holland: "Semi-starting" LB, but the worst LB in the conference and a liability
4* Corey Lemonier: Left for the NFL early, not on team
4* Eric Mack: Shot in the ass during the AU murders a few years ago, no longer on team
4* JUCO Brandon Mosely: Currently in the NFL, no longer on team
4* Trovon Reed: Huge bust; barely does anything
4* Jeremy Richardson: Never qualified
4* Craig Sanders: Special Teams and 3rd-string DL
4* Jeff Whittaker: Blew out his knee at start of season; huge bust up until that point anyway
14 of 16 4-star or better recruits are Non-Impact Players or No Longer on Team.
What does that have to do with Malzahn's success? The argument here deals with this new notion that Auburn actually has this goldmine of talent ("look at the recruiting rankings!") which Malzahn conveniently walked into. Ironically enough; Auburn was supposed to win ~6 games this year according to every expert...yet now that they blew every imaginable prediction out of the water, they were actually "supposed to be this good" and had "all this talent"?
The reality is that most of the "meat" (the 4+ stars) of Auburn's highly ranked past 3 recruiting classes is gone and/or has no effect on this year's 9-1 team. So dont tell me Malzahn is only good because "he recruited all these Top 10 classes at Auburn and simply left for a year".
Not really if you'd use your brain. If Malzahn is our coach maybe we still lose to Oregon but maybe only by 3 points. Then we beat Georgia and are close against Alabama and maybe even beat or are close to Missouri and then we beat Auburn because they don't have Malzahn and we do and we are 6-4. Then we beat Vandy and Ky and are 8-4 and top 25.
What does that have to do with Malzahn's success? The argument here deals with this new notion that Auburn actually has this goldmine of talent ("look at the recruiting rankings!") which Malzahn conveniently walked into. Ironically enough; Auburn was supposed to win ~6 games this year according to every expert...yet now that they blew every imaginable prediction out of the water, they were actually "supposed to be this good" and had "all this talent"?
The reality is that most of the "meat" (the 4+ stars) of Auburn's highly ranked past 3 recruiting classes is gone and/or has no effect on this year's 9-1 team. So dont tell me Malzahn is only good because "he recruited all these Top 10 classes at Auburn and simply left for a year".
All of this doesn't tell the whole story either. I have said all year that UT's experience this year is on both lines. We are inexperienced at key positions of QB, WR, and CB. Mason, Artis-Payne, Bray are all junior 4 stars at RB and WR for Auburn. Coates and Uzomah are 3 year three stars. Their OL is relatively young but very talented. The only question coming into the season was Marshall, and his running ability is fantastic. Not a good thrower. Auburn is vulnerable on defense, but they still have young talent and 4 stars playing all across the board- Wright, Owens, Holland, Whitehead, Therezie, Daniel, Lawson, etc. There is plenty of talent at Auburn. At least they don't have to play two walk-ons at nickel back. The fact that UT's experience on both lines really hurts us. If the experience was spread out among some of the skilled positions, it would be much easier.